cynthia3030

I know you are very proud of this work of art. You are truly talented. Beautiful. Looks a whole lot better than some real cakes. You go, girl

Very creative!

I placed an order for a case of wax on Thursday morning with Peak. Last week there was 25% off on shipping. In addition, I saved more money on shipping because the destination was closer. I saved enough money, with change left over, to purchase 1 pound of Peak's new FO, Aruba Coconut, which smells great OOB. I received my order, including my freebie, on Monday, only two business days after placing my order. Same wonderful service that i have always received from Peak but more efficient in terms of costs and time. (Oh, and lots of peanuts too,)

can it be used for tarts? or should it be mixed with anything?

I am not sure because I have never used 4786. I have read in previous posts that it sticks in clamshells and on the other hand, I have read that it snaps out of clamshells; some forum members say 4786 is suitable for tarts, others say it is not suitable for tarts. Go figure.

Okay. I went to their cart and I can order two samples of the 2-pounders. The shipping for one sample is approximately $8.75 and about $1.50 more for two samples. For a 10-pound slab shipping is about $10.75 and the slab is about $18.50.

You're right, though, there is no need to have wax on hand that doesn't work for me so the 2-pound sample should suffice. You helped me solve my dilemma and saved me money in the process. Thanks, Karen. Good looking out!

Cynthia have you order Peak's sample size waxes? I was buying a slab at a time and then realized that they offered 2 pound sample sizes of wax. You likely already know that, but I sure wanted to mention just in case.

Anyway, it was a good way for me to try a number of waxes at once at only $4-$5 each.

Since I do not make candles, 2 pounds may not be enough for your type of testing so perhaps my suggestion is not appropriate.

Karen, I think that's an excellent idea. Do you know if Peak will allow me to order two of the 2-pound samples? I won't even ask but assume it doesn't include shipping. On second thought 2 pounds will serve my purpose. Yippee! Problem solved. Thanks.

Hello, Cynthia3030

I'll try my best

The 4786 is a hard wax but not as hard as the 4794 or the CBL129 (both of which I have and tried - and occasionally still use). It does make a fairly creamy candle, but not as creamy-looking as the 4633.

Based on my experience, no matter at what temp you pour, the wax still needs to be topped-off; better do this 12 hrs. after your first pour. I let them sit overnight and then re-pour.

Glass adhesion, in all honesty, isn't great but (confession time) it's not something I excessively worry about and it really isn't that bad, though some may disagree. Best if you let it cure a couple of days; there are chandlers who pour one day and test the next, and claim the HT throw is there, but I prefer to wait a few days.

Only time it'll smoke is if you go well over 1 oz. of FO pp; I keep it at 1 oz. pp, or if the wicking is all wrong.

Zinc wicks work best for me with this wax; I use two 44Z in the 10 oz. comfort jars (I buy them from LS), and here is the link:

http://www.lonestarcandlesupply.com/products/candlecontainers_anchor-country-comfort-jar-10oz.html

Hth and wish you success! :smiley2:

Well, after reading your description and Lizzy's endorsement, I was ready to order a case of 4786 wax. However, after reviewing archived posts ad nauseum, I will reconsider my initial excitement relative to purchasing a case and perhaps purchase only a slab, which I hate doing. Basically speaking, the major factor about 4786 that I found unfavorable centered around adhesion and/or wet spots and I think that can be a subjective factor. A few wet spots, some wet spots, a lot of wet spots, to me, is in the eyes of the person judging the wet spots.

I am very curious to see a creamy-looking hard candle ... that consistency sounds kind of pretty, unlike many of IGIs pre-blends. As far as topping the candles off, that isn't a deal breaker because oftentimes I've found it necessary to top off so-called one pour waxes.

I am going to have a hard time sticking to 6% fragrance oil pp. I don't think 7 or 8 % will create a noticeable amount of smoke or I hope it doesn't, but of course that's where my testing comes in.

Have you all tried the Sao Vitor wicks? I have not. From memory - personally I wouldn't bet on it entirely- they are the German version of the Atkins & Pearce zinc core wicks, the distinction being, I think, the Sao Vitor doesn't mushroom as much as the Atkins & Pearce and some aspect of the SV is color coded. I think this would be a good time to try the SV wicks.

Thanks for you alls help and input. At this point I am relatively sure I will place an order for 4786 so that I will have it to test the weekend, the big question is how much because it really seems like the type of paraffin wax that I'm looking for at this point.

Truly hilarious!

What is a "real candle"?

Their candles. burn "more fragrantly" than whose candles? Candles purchased at Wal-Mart or Dollar Tree?

I needed a good laugh. Thanks for sharing, Jack!

Tried both, and though I cannot stand the re-pour needed with the 4786, it remains my favorite wax; in my own experience, much better than 4630.

It may be a good idea to get a sample of the 4786 and see for yourself; you may want to stick with the 4630, but you won't know until you try .

4786 IS excellent.

Ravens, I performed a very quick search of 4786 wax after reading you alls post and all of the major distributors describe 4786 as "excellent", just as you. However they differ in their descriptions in that some describe it as creamy, smooth, opaque, etc. I've never tried 4786 because it is not a one pour but I think I'm interested in giving it a try. Can you give me some more information from your personal experience such as adhesion, does it smoke, etc., fragrance load. Oh, what brand of wicks do you use? Thanks very much. Cynthia

Well I had the store all set up but it wouldn't let me change weight to lbs in shipping so after I created my store I gave up and added a go daddy cart for 4.99 month I only bought a month though so if I renew it's 9.99 month. The cart was the hardest part!! 2 days on that puppy

Congratulations. That is a huge task. The important thing is you finished. Post your URL so we can check it out.

I am at a loss for words to express my gratitude that haven't already been conveyed other than to say again, Alan, I sincerely appreciate the privelage of being a member of Craft Server and I thoroughly enjoy the forum and each member.

I like these containers. I bet a silver or metal lid would be pretty for those that don't care for the clear tops.

Another benefit is the soot factor. The soot that accumuates on containers when burning most paraffin waxes shouldn't be as obvious. Of course with soy candles soot is not an issue.

In my opinion and experience, your problem with testing yesterday and today more than likely is attributable to inconsistencies in the same brand/type of wax, especially IGI preblended waxes, i.e., 4627, 4630, 4633, etc. For example, some batches of wax will contain more petrolatum than others so they are simply formulated differently. These inconsistencies will drive you crazy trying to figure out if you mixed a batch correctly, if something is wrong with the FO, pointing fingers at the distributor and in your case, suspecting innocent hubby (LOL).

Wax can withstand a lot of adverse weather-related conditions and it will last years before it goes bad, again, in my opinion and experience.

That could be it My CD 3 burns good in it. But I think I am gonna test some 4627 To me the HT is not as strong as I would like it.

Using 4633 and 4630 paraffin wax, I used either LX12 or the 41 zinc core wick with great success. From my experience with 4627 you will probably need to use a larger wick, that being either LX14 or the 51 zinc core. Out of the entire line of status jars - 8oz, 12oz, 21oz - I always found the 2oz the easiest to wick and it performed extremely well, no throw issues, no wick issues and it burned very clean.

Thank you for posting the source for "Barnwood".

I certainly do agree that not FO's are created equal and will not work in all types and blends of wax, but I've been making container candles with IGI-4630A for years and I will report that I always cure them for at least a week before putting them out for sale. I'm convinced it does make a difference.

Since 4630 already has Vybar in it's composition; I do not add any additional. Vybar will allow the wax to absorb more FO, but it will also reduce the strength of the throw if overused. 4630 can hold up to 10% FO as is. That should give you a pretty good throw if the FO is of good strength,well "designed" and properly cured.

You might also try addimg your FO at a lower temperature (150F-160F). I've been doing this recently with good results. I'm planning on trying to take it down to 140F in some up-coming testing. I find that I'm not losing the more volatile keynotes when adding FO at the lower temperatures. This concept is a little controversial at this time, but I'm strongly leaning towards the lower temperature and a bit less stirring of the wax, during the process.

JMO/HTH

Dave @ Charlotte Hall Country Candles

I always add the fragrance oil (and color) to the wax at 165F to 175F. When adding FO at higher temps, particularly any temperature above 175F, it simply burns off some of the fragrance, therefore diminishing the scent throw. On the other hand, if the wax is too cool, below 160F when the fragrance oil is added, the wax is not hot enough to allow the fragrance oil to bind with the wax.

After adding my FO using a wire whisk, the wax is then stirred for approximately two minutes. I am not sure I fully understand the concept of a bit less stirring once fragrance oils are added other than it creates air bubbles that contribute to unwanted wet spots.

The temperature that fragrance oil should be added to achieve the best scent throw is a controversial subject and the discussion goes on and on and on ...

Welcome to our forum. Dave has a little competition in vying for our attention. I don't like to assume so I will ask. Is "Moody" your first name or are you using it as an adjective?

Start out slow. Take it one day at a time. Everybody makes mistakes. Learn from your mistakes and don't make the same mistakes again. Situations that we fret about have an uncanny way of working themselves out. The best of luck to you.

Yes. Why may I ask?

Simply because everything is so neatly organized with nothing out of place and it looks good. I use my garage as my work space but it looks nothing like this. I don't have all of the shelving and drawers like yours which I like very much. I think that an important factor in maintaining organization is to put things away after you use them. I keep looking at your pictures trying to get organizational ideas. I like the idea of hanging the paper towels.

This is very nice. Are you sure you work in here?

I received some Sage FO today from Pure Fragrance Oils. It smells very strong OOB but I have not tested it in wax.

Hello and Happy Saturday to all!

Well, have you used your Goddess yet? If so, what did you do with it?

If you haven't had a chance to use your long awaited Goddess yet, how do you plan to use it?

Cynthia

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I wick big metal coffee cans with 3 or 4 wicks and put used wax in there and enjoy the candles when I'm sitting outside at night.

May work as a bug repellant or help with annoying bugs?

Thanks for your helpful suggestions!

Yup, I know that's what you're talking about.

Here's a pic of the firestarters I have made. My friend's husband loves them. I haven't started selling them but I've read they sell really well at shows.

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Thanks for the picture, SuzyK. They are actually cute.

Are the fire starters scented? Do you add more FO to the used wax and dip the pine cones in your wax?

I used to just toss it but now I save it for firestarters.

Not sure i know what a fire starter is. I am speaking of wax from a melt where the fragrance is gone or used up.