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TallTayl-

Thank you so much for the information- I am going to give it another try tonight, could be that the molds were brand new- hopefully that is all it is because when I melted the chunks after mutilating them getting them out of the molds - the 75/25 blend are so much better and stronger!! Thank you Thank you Thank you

Leslee42

Thank you for the information- I was just using Eco wicks in straight 464 per CS wick recommendation but after alot of research on 464 users I did order CD wicks to try- I use the 8oz. square mason jars for candles and have always used the max fragrance load-12% but maybe that is too much oil for this wax and contributing to my burn problems, but that wouldnt explain why my tarts are weak- so frustrating! Thank you for the site for CD wicks- they are not easy to find without buying in 100 plus. Also you say you use Peak? I tried a few of them and they seemed real weak, if you dont mind sharing the ones you have had success with in the 464?

Thanks so much

Thank you for replying IwantItgreen

I have tried the tarts with 50/50 PB and 464 and although they do come out of the molds really good the scent throw was not as strong as I am looking for. I started off with just PB and that was even weaker- I like tarts and candles to be super burn your nose and eyes strong! LOL

Candlescience is so far one of my favorites for strong oil but I need to find the best wax for tarts- I have not used parrafin at all and do not want to get into second pours and all that- you mentioned parasoy.... would you say that has a better scent throw than soy alone and if so can you recommend a blend or company? Thank You so much!

Hi Swewill 5

I have also heard Candlemakers is good- the only hesitation I had is no scent descriptions- so please let me know how you like them. I just placed an order with Bitter Creek South and I will let you know how I like their scents. Every dime we can save in shipping expense the better! CS is my favorite so far as well- love their scents and the fact that they have a soy rating-I just wish they had more variety. Have you used their Angel? Love this one but in container candles I cannot wick it right- I think the oil is to heavy and I use the 8oz. sq. mason jars so I dont think 2 wicks would work but I am going to try the CD wicks and hope they work!

Hello TallTayl-

I tried tarts at a 75/25 blend and they wont come out of the molds without putting in the freezer for a few seconds- do you have problems with this as well? Some have cracks as well. I heated to 185* and added fragrance right after I poured into my pour pot and stirred for a couple of minutes and when pouring into the tart molds (metal) it looked the same as always- starting to set up until the whole mold was filled and reliquified(if that makes sense) and I waited a couple hours and even left one batch over night and they wont come out! Maybe I dont know how to do math-LOL but if your making a 1 lb batch of tarts I figured that is 160z. of wax so I used 4oz of PB and 12oz of 464 tared out in the pour pot. Any input would be greatly appreciated- I just want to have wonderful tarts so that in the long run when I figure it out I can save money by not going back to Yankee $2.00 tarts! I blow through about 3 a day

Thanks so much

Thank you TallTayl and Catlover- sorry for the delayed response I was out of town at my daughters Eqestrian State Competition and they won the State Championship- Go Milford!

But anyway- I am going to try the 75/25 blend- are you using the PB at 75%? I will go back to the drawing board on container candles with the 464- my CD wicks came in so I will give them a try

As far as fragrance companies- I have been using Candle Science, Natures Garden and Lonestar- Have either of you used bitter creek? I have been real happy with CS and so far NG is pretty good- Lonestar has a few good ones but this is getting expensive!

Thanks again

I get great throw with most all fo's in 464 by using a 9% load--I've gone a bit higher with the really light scents, but generally that's plenty. More is just a waste. I DO let my candles cure for at least a week before burning--5 days minimum, 7 days preferable. This makes a huge difference for me. I know it's hard to wait, but it's worth it IMHO!

CD wicks performed by far the best in my testing--they're great self-trimmers and I don't get many 'shrooms except in the heavy fo's with a power burn.

I use 1 tsp/pp of coconut oil also, but the jury's still out as to whether it's made much of a difference; the CT and HT were already great. I've been pouring around 150-155, but I may try the hotter temp today as I'm still seeing a few annoying sinkholes.

Thank you Catlover-

I have not cured for a week- 4 to 5 days is all...guess I need more patience. So it sounds like CD wicks might be where its at along with less fragrance and good to know on pour temp- I have been heating to 185 and pouring at 140-145... do you add your fragrance right after heat temp or do you let it cool first?

Thank you so much:smiley2:

Hiya! I use 464/ECO Soya PB blended at 75/25 and have amazing, long lasting throw with a nice firm texture that holds up to wear and tear. I don't worry about frosting since I shrink wrap them with a cute label on the top.

With this blend I found I don't need load up to your level of FO. FWIW. I don't have my notes handy to quote the actual FO load, but I calculated what I needed based on 6% fragrance load for the PB and 10% for the 464. It comes to something like 9% total - which some may still consider high but it works for me.

Thank you for replying-

I tried the 464/PB blend as well but at 50/50 blend- so do you use the PB at 75% and if you dont mind my asking at what temp do you pour? I have read that alot of oils will work less using max load which I cannot wrap my brain around! LOL it seems to me the more the better and stronger- I am going to try out your blend with using less fragrance and see where I come out- Thank you so much:smiley2:

I am brand new to the forum and to candlemaking....decided last winter that I was spending to much money on Yankee Candle tarts and little did I know- it was cheaper than trying it myself! but now I am hooked...and determined

I started right out with 464 and eco wicks like CS recommended and used the max 12% fragrance per pound (weighed) and my candles when burning were like greasy looking and the wicks would soot making the wax streak with black and the scent throw was not as amazing as the claims no matter what size wick. With the leftover wax I would pour it in tart molds and although I had to pop them in the freezer to get them out the scent throw was amazing- the burn your nose and make your eyes water strong that I DO want. I tried all different sizes of wicks in the candles and gave up and ordered the CB135. With this wax I used the LX wicks and tried the ECO as well and got a much better looking candle and the scent throw was good as well but still not as strong as what I am looking for and the tarts were not as strong.

So now I am back to 464 and I made the switch to PB/135 blend for tarts which do look better but they do not throw far and strong!

Any suggestions as to how to get this 464 to throw strong and far in a candle would be sooo much appreciated- I have read all the forums on this site and did order CD wicks to try but how do you determine what wick type and size to go with as a starting point?

Recommendations for tarts??? what wax has the best results for throwing scent far and strong?

Thanks so much

Hello everyone,

I am new to the forum and also have been testing the 464 in the 8 oz. square mason jar. I am also being mocked!! LOL I cannot get the Lx or Eco wicks to perform perfect, I have poured 8 candles with same fragrance/wax and put in 4 different size lx wicks and eco wicks and although I do get good scent throw they either burn way to hot and smoke or to weak and start to drown out.

I did order a sample pack of CD wicks- why is this sooo complicated?? Does anyone have any feedback on the 464 vs. the cb135 and wicking suggestions?

Thanks so much