jeanie353

We all know how very difficult wicking can be, but I think we might be worryimg a bit too much when testing wickless products.

Dave

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I'm talking wicking and wickless. CBL129 is a double duty wax and can be used either way.

IMO, it is not worrying too much. No one wants to start over after settling on a wax and supplier waxes have been known to cause that to happen, whether it be wickless or wicked. If it is an IGI duplicate, then we know it can be replaced easily. If not, that is often part (or all) of a decision against the supplier wax.

Nice post up there Dave

I do blend for a couple reasons: 1) Try to find a product that fits both my wicking, asthetic and HT wishes 2) If a wax lacks in HT but burns great, I'd like to add a helper paraffin 3) If it burns a little oily or is too transparent, I'll add a little soy. If I want to do that and not mess up the characteristics of the major wax, I need to know if it already has some soy, is designed to pull away from the jar (so I add a helper of the same type) or vice versa. If not, I'll have wet spots like crazy.

If you might have read the archives on CBL130 about 1 1/2 years ago, I may as well have been a hired spokesperson for the company. I loved the wax and was all set to sell. I was still working out of my kitchen at the time where the house temp on this level wasn't too cold or too hot. But something happend to my beloved CBL130. It lost its HT. I bought another slab...no HT. A fellow chandler on this forum bought a slab....no HT.

When I emailed with Bill he told me the reason was the high soy content of CBL130. OK...I can work with that, I think. What is a challenge is whether this wax is like J300 or IGI 6006 which makes a big difference what helper wax I put in it. So, I ordered a slab to try to figure this out and maybe it will surprise me and have HT once again.

I did not order a slab of CBL125 because I do feel it is close enough (if not the same) as IGI 4630 so it's fairly easy to replace, if needed down the road. I doubt that will happen but I don't want to start over again. This wax testing isn't any fun anymore.

If someone is doing nothing but repackaging a wax, they need to label it as that wax. If they are modifying with additives or blending, I can understand them changing to a proprietary name. I will likely not use a wax in which I have no idea what I am working. I know many will not feel that way, but to me it is a deterrent.

This is what I was trying to say in an earlier post but it took me a lot more words. Yours sum it up nicely. I just need to know what I'm working with so if I blend, I know which wax to blend or if I need to replace, I know which wax to replace it with in the IGI/Astor line.

I really like CW as a supplier and hope to get this figured out soon. Did order a slab of CBL130 today. If I remember that wax correctly, it pulls away from the jar leaving no wet spots. The freshly poured 6006 I'm looking at has adhered to the jar...so far. The previous 6006 I poured is almost done being tested, not leaving enough wax to compare fairly.

I may have to order some or buy a ziploc from someone here. 4794 reminds me of 4625 and 4786 reminds me more of a bit of 4625 or 4627 blended with 4794.

I sure like to know with what I am working.

If you want to be even more confused, check out the MPs of each. I just did that and realize why us chandlers get confused. Peak and CS have 4630 listed at different MPs. CW doesn't match up either. I did not check CBL129 against 4786, 4625 or 4794 but probably will a little later.

ETA: CW will send you a 1 lb sample. I don't have anymore un-used 129 here but can send you some CBL141, if you like. It is a votive/pillar wax and quite a hard wax but mixed it may do very well. I have not tried it yet mixed.

Bill would not discuss any other particular wax blender with me, but he did mention that he is aware there are company's that simply relabel wax from major manufactures. He told me that CW does not do this. He also told me that although their formulas are "propietary" they will state the type of wax they are composed of.

I have a couple questions that maybe you can answer.

First is specifically with CBL130 and 6006. You mentioned Bill said they do not simply relabel and their blends are proprietary. Does this mean they use the same liquid wax, same additives as 6006 but make it themselves rather than repackage 6006 under the name of CBL130 as others do? I worked with 130 extensively and loved it but stopped because I lost HT. Right now I am working with 6006 and they don't seem quite the same to me. I'm not doubting one word you or Bill said. Am just trying to figure this out. 130 seemed to have a lower MP yet be a harder wax in the jar. It burned wonderful for me with Eco wicks. 6006 does not do that...for me.

I do have CBL125 and 4630 side by side and they do look alike in all ways. They did burn a little different for me but it was most likely due to the different FO in each. Also 125 had better HT....Also, possibly due to the FO.

Ravens ~ For what it's worth, I just finished doing CBL129 alongside 4794 and 4786. I do not think it is 4786. One reason is I can wiggle a knife through 4786 but cannot get a knife through CBL129 without kinda like chiseling to break off hunks. Worked better to drop on the cement. Seems it may be closer to 4794. Just my .02

Do you swear you can't?

That I cannot do!

Lol, funny thing is, Jeanie, I could not find it (the 4616) on the DPS/Morris website, but it is available from Faction Industries. I will take another look at what's available from DPS, and if they positively do not carry the 4616, I will have to order it from Faction.... it's my duty, don't you think?

All I did was a search to see what the wax was. I think it came up at Let It Shine but not sure. They are a bit pricey on their stuff (JMO) so Faction (whatever that is) might be better.

Yes, Ma'am....It is your duty and we will await your results. I serioulsy cannot tolerate testing another wax right now or I'd of been enabled already

Jeanie, you mentioned you were doing a 50/50 blend, but if I use only 30% of 4625 will it be to soft for clamshells?

Oh HS...Wish I could answer that for you but I just don't know. I've only done 50/50 and haven't the slightest clue how 6098 would make the melts behave if it became dominant in the blend in release.

If no one else chimes in that they've already tried, I can pour one to see how it works since I have the waxes here.

Yes, I will definately report on the DPS FOs. Now, about the wax, I ordered one (6098) but there is another one I am not familiar with, and it is supposed to be an excellet wax with great throw> It is the IGI 4616 - 130 Paraffin, a single pour wax with a melt point of 124 degrees; it can hold a 10% fragrance load.

Anyone heard of it?

I guess that for the sake of furthering our wax "knowledge", I'd better order some, huh? :rolleyes2 (I bet Jeanie would agree, lol).

I agree fully!!

Someone just commented on that wax recently. I had to look it up because it was unfamiliar with me as well. Found it also is a parasoy like 6098 but don't know why we haven't heard more about it. I would of ordered but was already neck high in tart and container waxes to test. So, should we assume it went into your cart Ravens? Can't wait to hear your review.

They have a location in my town (Kansas City) but they only sell by the case, even though other Morris locations will sell "samples" (figures).

See, in this dreamland in which I live (in my mind), I will happily settle on a couple of waxes VERY soon and will be thrilled to go and pick up a couple of cases of said wax perfection and save on shipping and as a hobbyist not need wax for a VERY long time. I have been thinking this for several months and here I sit in wax testing limbo (I had another name for it but decided to be nice).

We must be neighbors. I'm sitting in the same limbo area you are. (I'll be nice too since you did).

I'm wondering how they will work this out if it does go state by state for the tweaks of the Fed part of the law. Say, one state has less stringent requirement where another has strict requirements....If that is the case, will we be able to ship products made by the less stringent state to the stringent state and not violate their provisions?

Like the rest of it, we'll see when it's finalized but that is a big question that stood out to me reading the limited version.

Maybe due to the soy in the blend it takes a little cure time? I can say it kicks butt in melts with 4625 for me.

but I buy waxes from BCS and never had a problem. There are very few BC FOs I really like, and Vanilla Velvet simply is a "must-have" for me. You may save on shipping, but I don't think I could take that aggravation! Sounds like they need to get their act together

Ravens ~ Have you tried CC VV and if so how do you feel it compares to BCS VV?

Very nice! I too love that shade of blue. Soothing.

You did not get any wax while there Ravens? lol

Will await your test results on the FOs. Christmas Cheer?

It would be a new-to-me supplier for FOs too if they are good. I have gotten wax from them. Very good CS.

....and my family wonders why I'm laughing all by myself so often in front of the computer. This is only one tiny example.

I am only giving an oob opinion on AH Lavender Mist, but to me it smelled nothing like lavender and it was not smooth. I could not even make myself pour it. Maybe try the Lavender Vanilla from AH. I've heard great things about it.

I think that is the only AH/RE scent I disliked...A lot!

Your first? Wow! It really is very nice.

Have y'all seen the huge Decorative Mason jar at Walmart? I believe it's $13.74. I must have stood there 5 minutes trying to figure out what I could use it for.

Enabler!

Going to check website.

Even some of the suppliers' jars are from China. The ones I had been using from TCMS come in a case saying "Made in China" on the bottom.

I'm not promoting China made stuff, and would prefer made in USA, but do have to say I've put these jars through so much testing for almost 3 years and they've held up like champs.

http://www.candlekitchen.com/boxestins.htm

In the beginning I bought these and eventually bought the regular pie tins from the grocery store. Customer service is great at Candle Kitchen and fast shipping.

Some of us have nice friends who share and we are grateful that we did not have to buy it to try it!

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Wow! TCS must of been flooded with tart wax orders.

I promise to do my best to tally-up the "findings" of this "survey" and post them when it appears that the data is conclusive

Have a GREAT week and please accept wonderful Easter blessings to all Christian board members

Totally forgot Wild Mountain Honey. So glad it was mentioned and you got it. I think you will be very pleased with that scent too. Your list is great!