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I saw that recommendation here too - and I was going to try the same thing :-) I get great cold and hot throws from everything I've made using the Advanced, 135 and the PB blend (melts, tea lights, votives, even Pillars), but no such luck with the HT with the containers - though I must admit that 3 ladies who tested 2 jars for me said they could smell the scent - so go figure :-)

Here's the results of the 3rd burn - I'm liking the HTP93 at this point I think :-) After 1hr AFTER 2 HOURS: No mushrooming on the CND at all this time round. A little hangup on the HTP93, but I'm told that's not a bad thing :-) The depth of the MP with the CND10 is about 0.28in and the depth with the HTP93 is about 0.25in A little more HT seems to be coming off the CND10 though. Is this getting any better?

Hi Tammy, happy to see another Aussie - I'm down in Wollongong - not too far from you :-) My previous jar tests didn't contain any additives - and these with the CO do seem to be working ok - apart from the troubles at the top where it's narrow. Just about done with the 3rd 2hour burn - so I"ll be off to check them in a minute. I'm using the plain old copha bar :-) cut off a piece, melt it slowly and weight out what I need and mix with the wax before I add the colour and FO. With these test jars I took Stella's advice and heated the FO a little as well before mixing with the wax. As for the HT, hard to judge them individually (2 different scents) as I'm burning them side by side and they only cured for 2 days anyway - this is more of a wick test than anything. Photos of the new tests shortly PS: What wax are you using Tammy

The 2 suppliers I've found for candle making here in AU - only have the htps and cdns and one has an ACS (haven't tried those - have no idea how to compare that to the wick carts I've seen - not seen this one mentioned in them )..

Thanks ladies - now I'm stumped :-) Firstly I'll show 2 shots of the candles at 2nd burn at 2.5hr stage - at which point I extinquished them. Will do further test tomorrow. The CDN 10 certainly looks as if it's too big and needs wicking down. There is no CDN9 at my suppliers, but am waiting on CND8s. The CDN7s as previously mentioned just failed to work at all. As for the HTP93 - flame does look big at the beginning - but settles down somewhat. It's at this same point in testing these and my other testers, that the HTP 83s drown completely - this htp93 looks like it's on the way to doing the same thing - but certainly burning slower than the CND :-( The fun and joy of testing... Ah well, I'll see what results I get tomorrow for 3rd burn. Out of testing about 8 of these containers to date, I just haven't managed to get the wick right and I"m running out of wicks choices <lol>

Hi all, I made 2 container candles (honeypot - 3" at the widest point). Previously used CND7s, HTP73 and HTP83x and all these were drowned out. At that time, I was using 10-12% FO sometimes more, but after reading here that that is way too much I cut back to see if this was the reason why the wicks were drowning. The following is what I used for this test: Ecosoy Advanced plus the correct amount of coconut oil per each container.... We can't get the USA here, so it was suggested on this board I try the coconut oil for frosting, scent throw etc 1. 8% Rose FO 1/4 colour chip - baby pink 1/4 teaspoon coconut oil 2. 8% Lilac FO 1/4 colour chip - lavender 1/4 teaspoon coconut oil Both jars were made at the same time. Jars were warmed in the oven and then left to cool in a turned off oven for a few hours. The rose jar turned out the best - no frosting on top or pull away from the jar. The Lilac jar had frosting on the top and a little wetspot (pullaway ?) on one side - not very visible, but there. There was a little difference in the pouring temp., only about 5 degrees. These are 2 days old now - so testing more for wicks than scent throw. I show one image where I started the burn then after one hour: Deceptive from the image - but there is no hangups on either jar - both burned cleanly. Photo taken from the top AFTER 2 HOURS TAKEN FROM THE TOP: FROM the side - written the results on the image: AND THE STATE OF THE WICKS AT THIS POINT: I know it's early days in the testing, but can anyone see any problems straight off ?? At the moment, the HTP93 is performing much better than any others I've tested to date. As for the mushrooming on the jar on the left (rose), what causes that generally - I admit I don't understood too much about this and it's causes as yet, have to do some more reading :-) This also happened when I used the CND7 which drowned out, but not this this extent. Once the candles have set, I'll do another 2 hour test and record the results again at that point. I realise that the results could be totally different ;-) I am having no problems with melts/tarts with hot or cold throw - the scent is great. I'm getting there with the votives and pillars (though again, the scent throw isn't the greatest - but I am having a good hangup on the pillars so they don't spill - jus the damn scent throw With the containers, my biggest problem is the hot scent throw that is causing me issues - the cold throw is excellent, but have not achieved any good results with the hot throw with any jars - though others have said they can smell the scent - not too strong, but certainly there. Sorry, if I've rambled on, but with no other outlets except this board to seek advice, I'm at your mercy (or the other way round <lol> so I hope you can bear with me :-)

Agreed - will have to try a little something to the mix. I know the wholesaler does sell the palm stearic acid - so maybe..... :-) LOL - I've put off experimenting in the last few days - it's terribly hot here (and I suffer in the heat - let alone trying to make candles !), but really need to get a move on these - to find out why the hot throw isn't as good as my other products. I'm right now burning a palm wax candle where I wicked up to a CDN 10, so we'll see if the scent throw is better. Thanks again for all your tips.

Thanks Stella, am going to test a few of that container size later tonight with various wicks - thanks so much for your help. It's really appreciated - seeing as I can't get any help locally and no-one else I know is into candle making :-) I'll contact that company and the one I deal with to see whether they'll be able to import the USA - passing them the link referencing the product I found earlier in this thread. Off to make some fragrance melts for orders that came in this morning - at least these are working well so I can sell them to finance all the other candle ingredients I am buying ! ;-) Again - thanks !

This is the honey pot, it's a 5oz container: http://aussiecandlesupplies.com.au/shop/product.php?productid=16294&cat=259&page=1 (not the supplier I usually get it from, but the other site is working on their datasheets etc, and the dimensions are missing. Ok, thank you ! will certainly try that tomorrow - I do have those wicks ( I certainly made sure I had plenty of every kind before I started. So for that size would you recommend a starting point of a CDN 10? Now that I looked at the site I linked above, I think I found the USA Does this look like the correct product do you think? http://aussiecandlesupplies.com.au/shop/product.php?productid=16406&cat=270&page=1 I love candles and used to spend a fortune on them, so now I get to have lit candles everywhere, even if they don't throw as well as I'd hoped, but I'll get there !

Now that I know what it is, I'll definitely look at other supplier - even if they are further away - the cost for a kilo shouldn't kill the budget :-) I did try coconut oil, but didn't like it - if anything made things worse <lol> greasy looking and I didn't even add that much. Yep, I know all about that now - learned a lot about this right here on this forum. I was using a lot more initially - but cut right back as the extra didn't make any difference to the hot throw anyways. I also have a heap of various sized CDNs, but found they didn't work as well as the HTPs in containers, but worked well with pillars and votives. I'm using a 142 honey pot (sticking to the small sizes until I have everything sorted) and tested the CDN 14 and the HTP 83. The CDN burned too hot and fast, and the HTP 83 too small. So my next test is goign to be the HTP 93. I agree there, when I made a few pillars and votives the CDN worked well on testing as opposed to the HTPs. The supplier told me to use the HTPs for containers and the CDNs for pillars and votives and that's seems to be correct so far. Again, I read that here first <lol> so my next step was going to be trying a mixture of both - as I have quite a bit of both waxes and with the hot summer coming up I don't want to have too much of one lying around. If I remember correctly, one lady was using 30% 135 to 70%Advanced, so I'll try that as a first step... which is going to be tomorrow :-) Thank you ! I'm really enjoying it all and am afraid I've got the 'bug' - at first it was a 'get away from web site design' (my main freelance work) for relaxation purposes, now I find I'm spending more time on candle making than the other job I *should* be doing :-) I'll be back I'm sure with a lot more questions!

Sorry for jumping into this thread, but seeing as I was going to ask a similar question - I thought it best to start here (I'm a newbie as you can probably tell :-) I've been reading through all the threads - from which I've learned many new things :-) and saw mention of the USA additive, but it's not available from my local supplier in Sydney (Aust) I believe (after my own research - not being told by the way) my supplier likely imports products from CScience... if it makes a difference. Anyways, if anyone would care to look at this page: http://www.naturalcandlesupply.com.au/Additives/?cid=5 and let me know whether the first one listed: PALM STEARIC ACID would be a suitable additive - particularly for enhancing hot scent throw. I use the Ecosoy PB, Advanced Soy and the Ecosoya CB-135 depending on what candle item I'm making/testing. I have the melts down great, just having various problems with container candles. Mainly the hot scent through - cold scent throw is terrific, but the hot throw is pretty is letting me down. I use around 9% FO (was actually told to use more - which I've tried - but still didn't work as expected - so I backed off a bit - particularly after reading here that too much FO is just a waste of money !). The last wicks (HTP 73s or 83s for small containers) I've been using seem to be working quite well both for burn time and FMP. It's just that blasted hot scent throw that's getting me down. PS: I can't believe it took me so long to find this forum - nothing similar available here in Au - and I enjoy reading/ learning from every post I read here :-) Thanks for listening and sorry for prattling on!