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On 10/17/2017 at 5:18 PM, Moonstar said:

Wow everything Ive read on here about the Q220 +30 has not been as positive as your describing. So, your not having any issues at all ? What FO did you use from BC ???

I tried Q210 with an EO blend I created and cotton wick, then tried an FO blend mixing 4 different fragrances from 2 companies & used wood wicks for that one.  Testers worked well, CT was there after 2 days & HT was great.  It may be my batch of wax.  There seems to be more bad reviews then good.

Poured testers for Q220 w/ EO's and will burn them soon then test again w/ Q210.

On 10/17/2017 at 3:37 PM, CatCatCandles said:

 

oh wow you got strong HT with straight gb 464 after 2 days? the fO must be very strong. what happened to letting it cure for 7-14 days. i' just got the 210 , should have it by this weekend:) ; how are you liking it?

I usually wait two days when testing.  It's worked well for me.

Still testing the new Ecosoya waxes and so far I'm liking them.  I don't use high fragrance loads either.  Burning the Q210 soon as I poured testers for that yesterday.  Then I'll do more testing of the Q210.  A lot don't like this wax so I'm guessing Ecosoya may tweak their waxes in the future.

2 hours ago, CatCatCandles said:

 

Hii! yes the cold throw for this one was very store, i was almost certain the candle would be a hit! . but alas I lit it and was super disappointed. 

Which FO and from which company are you referring to? also what wick/jar combination were you using when you got good HT? and how long did you let it cure for ? 

 

Which products are you testing these days?

I was using a jar that is about 3 1/8 in diameter and used a HTP 105 wick and the scent was from Bitter Creek. I let it cure for 2 days. I'm currently testing the Q210 and will move onto the Q220 and Q230 soon.

33 minutes ago, NightLight said:

I would want to see your tops after pour - I got pits and oil droplets on top surface which is unsatisfactory to me.

 

Even heat gunned still nonemusification

 

FYI Essential oils are not safer than fragrance oils - they are still burned material in the air. Urban myth. 

I posted my pours on page 5 near the bottom they came out great.  This is with 210.  Will be trying 220 soon.

My customers like the essentials and I like them too.  Used to use a lot more FO's and some want certain scents. Sometimes I crave certain scents that I can only get with FO's.

I use it and like it but use wooden wicks with it. With essential oil blends and wicking it does take some testing to figure out. 

Are you getting a cold throw at all? I haven't used this exact scent but used another fragrance oil from another company and had a great hot throw and I was using 8% fragrance for that one and added no colour.   I added my scent at around 155-165 and poured at your temp and stir for about 2 minutes.  Try lower your fragrance load as that is the only thing I can think of.  I used straight 464 as well.

I know how frustrating this can be as I just went through so much testing over a month ago and I'm back at it again.

Try contacting Candle Science as well to see if they can help you pinpoint the problem.

I use both the Coconut and Apricot waxes and haven't experienced pooling or tunneling near the wick. I use my own essential oil blends with these waxes and haven't had a problem.  I have not tried fragrance oils with them though.

I've not been able to find a 100% coconut or apricot blend and have been told it's because it would be too soft to work with.

With an essential oil blend I use HTP 105 or RRD 47.  As this sounds trickier to wick you may need to go up a size if you haven't tried these options yet. I would also try going down to 6 or 7% load to see if that helps.

I started using 464 over a year ago and for cotton wicks it's been okay. For wood wicks however it's involved a lot of testing and is finnicky with various essential oils.  The cold throw has been good for me and hot throw is good too.

I haven't tried this but read somewhere that mixing 415 and 464 works well.

On 9/30/2017 at 8:07 PM, Dorothy Mantooth said:

I try to go back and read as much on here as I can when I have spare time, or when my wife is watching football.  It looks like I started with 464 back in the spring where I'm now seeing everyone was having so many problems. I only had a 10lb bag. I tried a few candles and didn't like 464 so i moved on and tested other waxes. If you buy 464 now is it ok, or is the issue from spring just the new normal?  I pulled it out today to make some more samples adding 4693, but now I'm wondering if I have wax that's going to be different than if I order a new box next week. 

 I find it a nightmare with my testers. With cotton wicks it's been fine for me but with wood wicks it's involved a tonne of testing. I also use essential oils for the most part.

Pouring really slow helps but once you heat gun it then you get the frosting issue at least in my experience and it's worse with coloured candles. It's the wax I'm using right now while I continue to test the new Ecosoya Q210/220/230.

I know most have given up on this wax but posting this for those who are still testing it.

I decided to try the Q210 with a fragrance oil that is 4 fragrance oils combined. Not from the manufacture either.

I used 3 fragrance oils from Bitter Creek and 1 from Brambleberry to make up this blend.  Used 7% of it and used various wooden wicks. These are two of my testers.  It poured well and I pour at lower temps. Slight vinegar smell in raw form but don't smell it after adding scent and letting it cure.

After 48 hours the cold throw was good (I've been reading others wait 1-2 weeks). I was happy with the hot throw and on some of my testers it burned the full diameter in 2 hours and in others it took 3-4 hours. Flame was anywhere from 3/4 to 1" high and burn pool was 1/4 to 3/8"

When I blow them out they do smoke a bit more then the Advanced did but it wasn't excessive in my testing.

Mostly I use essential oils but am using some fragrance oils for the season.

Including photos of 2 of my testers at the 2 hour mark.

wthomas57,

What soy wax do you recommend? Have you tried one you like?

Nature Wax C3 is next on my list to try.

I had a bit of smoking the first time but the second time it was fine. I just heated it on really low heat which seemed to work well.

I'm wondering if NGI is going to reformulate these waxes based on all these experiences.

I'm back with more information.

At this point I've only made one tester with a light purple colour with the Q210 and used a HTP 105 with essential oils. It worked great and HTP 105 is what I used to use with the old CB advanced.

I've continued to research this wax looking at sites mentioning the Q210/220/230.

Just poured a few more testers trying out fragrance oil this time with the Q210 and am using wood wicks. A perfect pour and I"m hoping to burn them tomorrow or Sunday.  Cold throw is already starting to come through with this. I've had no vinegar smell after adding scent and allowing it to cure.

The photos are a group of smaller sizes: tealight, 2 oz deep and 2 oz shallow, close up of the 2 oz shallow and 8 oz glass. 

I heat the wax on a double boiler grid thing (can't think of what it's called) but it goes at the bottom of a deep pot and then I add water and sit my 4 lb candle cylinder jar on it.  I keep the heat on really low until it melts completely. I've read you should heat to 155 but I've had mine go above that. Then I add scent around 145 and stir really well and pour below 145.

According to Lone Star Candle they spoke to NGI and were told that the Q230 has been reformulated to be a bit harder.

This is what they said:  "I did hear from Ecosoya the other day and they told me after their initial production, they wen't back and adjusted the Q230 to make it absorb fragrance better and set up a littler harder."

A lady out of Quebec has had great results with this wax and continues to use it which is interesting as I've read some bad reviews on other sites and some good reviews.

Now I can't make a complete conclusion as I have more testing to do but I haven't ruled this wax out yet. Once I figure out wicks for the Q210 I'll move onto the Q220 and Q230.

Am currently using GB 464 which isn't my favourite but making it work for now until I can get testing figured out with another wax.  I'm thinking that some of us are getting good batches and others are not. 

@wthomas57 Yikes you've gone through a lot of wax. Did you contact the manufacture to get a replacement or refund?  Do you know of a good soy wax that doesn't use paraffin that you like working with? I've heard about Nature C-3 wax but haven't tried it yet.

4 hours ago, NightLight said:

My first tester was great. THought finally a no Brainer production wax. Tried multiple scents from candle suppliers and had more misses with crater, oil spots that good ones. The good ones meaning 2 fragrances worked out of a dozen plus experiments with 210 - 220.

 

I have about ten kinds of wax on hand and poured many candles and the new Ecosoya waxes need work I feel with consistency.

 

I would like to know if other people have problems with fragrance. My control candles without fragrance are perfect. The ones with fragrance are problematic - I tried adding at 180 and higher as suggested online at 200.

 

 

Oh wow didn't realize you had tried so many different kinds of wax. Was one of them Cargil's Nature Wax C3? That is one I'd like to try in the future. I'll be trying a fragrance tester soon so I'll report back.

On 8/28/2017 at 9:46 AM, jbradshaw said:

I've never had this happen and from researching I'm finding conflicting info...

 

is oil separation/pooling on tops of candles caused by pouring too cool? Or mixing in FO too cool? This only happened on the last two I poured, two different FOs. 

 

It's 464 heated to 185, FO added at 185, cooled to 140(ish) then poured. Maybe I didn't stir as long on the last two? Or the wax cooled too much before pouring or mixing? 

 

Any advice is appreciated. Also- what do you do with messed up candles like these? 

jbradshaw,

I've had this happen to me before but not to the extent with the GW464. I just had like 3 beads form on top. Just mop it up with paper towel. You may have to do this a few times and then heat gun it and it should be fine after that point.  I had this happen with an essential oil blend in my case and my candle was coloured. I think my issue was not stirring the scent enough and not adding in at the right temperature.

5 hours ago, NightLight said:

This is my experience with the wax.

i have tried 2120 and the 220

 

Color of was is light beige.

Easy handling because of the pellets.

I have had very good to excellent adhesion on all my testers, and scent throw has been good.

No problem with wicks I use cd's.

This wax smokes in pot before getting it to 180 degrees which is off putting.

I tried adding Fragrance at 180 and up to 200 and still got same results of oily spots and craters.

 

My biggest issue is I poured over a dozen testers with candle fragrances from many companies, not with fragrances from

 Ecosoya - 

Results oily spots and puddles on tops of candles, craters.

Out of all the tester fragrances only 2 met my standards of beautiful smooth top. The other were unusable.

My control candle was beautiful without Fragrance - smooth shiny top, good adhesion, easy burn.

 

I do not think the is wax is ready for prime time - Ecosoya must get this wax to be compatible with fragrances, as they cannot expect

people to test and test to find compatible scents that don't leave craters and oil spots on top.

 

Will be going back to my old blend until they work the kinks out. 

Was disappointed in the release of these waxes - they needed to wait.

Night Light,

I've been reading very mixed reviews before I even got my wax. I ordered some of all three Q210/Q220/Q230.

Now I've only done one tester with the Q210 but was happy with my results so far. I used the same  wick I used to use with the Advanced and found the candle burned much longer then it used to with the old formulation. I waited 2.5 days for cold throw and you could smell it but it wasn't as strong compared to the GW464 that I've been using as a replacement.  I added my scent at a much lower temperature (think it was like 160F) and I got a perfect top as well and poured at a lower temp as well.  At first I thought I needed to use another wick but after doing more burns with the same candle it worked great in the end.

What I think is happening as I've been wracking brains trying to figure out why some are getting great results and some are getting bad results is the batches of wax vary from lot to lot. I used essential oils in my first tester candle.  If this is a batch to batch issue then I agree Ecosoya needs to figure out how to maintain consistency overall.

As I haven't done extensive testing I'm still on the fence about this wax. After I've had some time to really experiment with all three I'll have a better idea of what wax to use.

8 hours ago, B72Atlanta said:

A few questions.  

When a fragrance is not working with Q210 what do you mean by this? I want to compare it to what I am obviously doing wrong.

 

Is anyone getting a smokey/ burnt smell from Q210?  With or without fragrance? 

 

 

I'm not having that problem at all. The wax smells like vinegar in it's raw form but after adding scent and colour it's' been fine for me. I haven't tried a non scented tester as I like to jump right in with scent and colour.

I've only done 3 burns with my current tester candle. Been testing for weeks with new wicks and the GW464 so am slowing working my way through the new Ecosoya ones. I used my Q210 in a 6 oz container with my standard HTP105 wick because according to the You Tube video the girl from Quebec said she had lots of HTP 105's and 1212's and she wanted to continue with the same wick. I did a Lavender EO blend and coloured the candle as well. At the 2 hour mark the wax wasn't quite to the end but close. At the 4 hour mark it still wasn't all the way to the end. Oh the second burn I burned it for 2.5 hours and it went to the end on all the edges except for one.  Hot throw is lovely, cold throw after 2.5 days was good. Now I've read online that some people are saying you have to wait weeks for a better cold throw.

My early conclusion is that this wax needs a higher wick like the Xcel used to need and it burns slower. So I'll try a HTP126 which I think may be perfect.  When I used my HTP105 with the Advanced I used to get a full melt pool in an hour or so. Thinking I got a good batch of this wax as I've heard horror stories online and here with wick issues and cold throw.

I'm torn I get amazing cold throw from GW464 wax and very good hot throw. It's more picky for pouring but think I may have that figured out. I'm going to go through my 50 lbs and then decide whether to switch to the new Ecosoya versions.  The pro is that GW464 is much cheaper for me.  With a heavier EO blend though this wax was a beast for me to work with narrowing down a wood wick. I had to test so many wicks.

Will try testing the Q210 with my wood wicks next to see how that goes and then once I figure out the wicks for Q210 I'll have a better idea of how to test for Q220 and Q230.  In the past the Advanced used one wick and then for the Xcel I always had to wick up one higher. So wondering if I'll have to wick up one higher for theQ220.

Curious what results you have wthomas.

wthomas57,

I use mainly essential oils for all my candles so wondering how they will hold up with the new waxes as the advanced did very well with them.  Also I used to use HTP wicks for my cotton wick candles and I also use wood wicks so I'll be doing more testing. I've already been testing like crazy with wood wicks and the GB464 as that is what I've been using but the wood wicks I used to use form 3 different suppliers were discontinued so I had to start all over again with wicks.  I've just about got the GB464 figured out (after 3 weeks of solid testing) with wood wicks (with cotton wicks they stayed identical to what I used to use with Ecosoya Advanced).   I do have a few fragrance oils to use up so may stick to the GB464 for those if the new waxes give me woes.  Also just got 50 lbs more the GB464 to hold me over until I figure out the new Ecosoya formulations.

I agree I also read two reviews that said Q210 is like the old advanced and one review that said Q220 is like the Advanced. Found a you tube video as well and it mentioned that they used the same cotton wicks with the old ecosoya as they do with the Q210. 

In your testing do you end up using the same wicks with the Q210 as you do with the Q220?  I found with the old Advanced I'd use one wick and then with the Excel I had to go up a size. Wondering if that is the case with the Q210 and Q220.

KimmyPee,

Thanks for posting. I've been glued to this forum for a few weeks as I've been looking forward to the new waxes coming out. I've been worried as I've been reading such mixed reviews about it.  Just got the Q210/220/230 the other day but have to wait until next week to start testing it.  I switched to the GB464 after it got discontinued and have some of the Advanced left.

Are you using the same wicks with the Q210 that you used with the Advanced? Were you using Advanced with the old formulation.

Yes the new Q210 smells like salt and vinegar chips in its raw form. I got all three as I may want to make my own blend.

That is stunning and I love the colours. The scent sounds like a winning combination.

I love it.

That swirl is fantastic.

It's love and I love the name.