It is really hard to see the hug.. that part I was impressed with as it was really not thick at all - I was hoping to capture that with the glow of the candle on the side, but that doesnt work either.. it just naturally curved in.. maybe it is too big of a "hug"???? the flame was a bit larger, but I am use to my flames in the jars .. when I tried a 28, I didnt seem to get the thinner shell as I did with the 30.. I use the 1343 and 3 tbs steric pp wax.. Maybe I will try starting at a 26 and work my way up again.. That was the only ones (pillar set) I have tested so far.. I didnt get the budge until the very end, but it went until about 1 1/2 - 2 inches high before doing that (If you look at my website, those were not made by me - they are Trish's work - I just have to learn this because of my wholesale account) Dang - I hate.. hate wicks and figuring them out!