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thanks sharon and jonsie for your imput. Everyone's input is important to me. I am now leaning towards the tube as well and may come up with a slightly thinner recipe and maybe I can fill the tubes when the scrub is still a bit warm.

Candlemama, I'll be waiting, the sweatty factor is the most important thing for me and dryness...so far I haven't found one that doesn't dry your skin without adding something to it.

I did get NG's goats milk and the yogurt base and am testing today.

Carebear, i will use what ever I add to the lotion base as the amount to figure preservative. I think the amount will be very slight but I will have to experiment today and get back to you

ok, I just had a thought that might make this easier for me...I am gonna try using a lotion base and add the butter , fragrance , dry flo, and a pinch of germall plus liquid. and see how that turns out.

I would feel better using a lotion base that has been tested for sale than test stip testing my self. Although I will still test it to be sure nothing grows.

Thanks so much for the idea. gonna give this a try today and I think I am gonna use a combo of cb, fco co, in place of the avacado butter.

I posted some info in my thread on natural soap base in response to your questions there but will add a little more detail here. I mostly use EBC white base but recently tried a sample of their natural base. My husband has used my M&P soaps more than me and swears they are super moisturizing. I use them for washing my hands but use my CP & HP in the shower. I have never had a problem with dryness on my hands with the EBC bases. I do load my white base up with additives, similar to PA's recipe. I like to load my white base up then swirl in some clear, which makes it both moisturizing and bubbly, not to mention pretty! My M&P soaps definitely hold FO and color better using less than I do for CP or HP. My M&P soaps don't last as long as my CP or HP, but it's not a huge difference. HTH!

please tell me if the white soap base from ebc is the natural one or is it the one with sulfates?

I have recieved my organic base from nd and i do no like it as far as being wet slippery.

So far I do like the low sweat ,I did a mix of sfic clear and opaque lowsweat base ...very bubbly and added kaolin clay. Very nice seems hard, bubbly and no sweating, takes fo well.

The clear ( not really clear)scif low sweat base is a bit sweaty but when mixed with the white low sweat... its wonderful. That is what the opaque needed to be more bubbly.

i am thinking the kaolin clay addin that pinch of moisturization it needed...next i will add a bit of cb and jojo and see how the bubbles stand up.

I am waiting on one more order from NG...it is a natural yogurt & a natural goats milk base . only offered as quick buy for now but they told me in the next couple weeks it will be added to regular line and will have quantity discounts.

I think that is all there is to try with the exception of ebc. havent tried yet.

I am still waiting on my organic base from new directions. should be here today or tomorrow. I am pretty sure it is the same base that chemistry store has so maybe it will be a winner. I have some sls free base from a couple years ago I got from new directions but didn't like the clearness or the stickiness of it but it was very nice on the skin.

Noodle thanks for the info on mixing, I would only try like same brands and do a sample test first. thanks again noodle for saving me from ruining a whole batch.

This is exactly the the review I was lookin for...I must have missed it earlier when I was posting my message.

thank you ...I would love it if you could update us on you impression since you first use and let us know if it meets your expectations.

I am a cphp soap maker and thought I would try m&p but haven't found the right one yet.

See my post help with choosing m&p base...thanks again

NG has a Natural goats milk and a Natural yogurt soap base.

4.95 for 2lbs ...if you order alot it is better cause shipping not so bad there but there are no reviews on it and it is only in the quick order section so you can't just click on it to see individual info and reviews on it.

Anyone tried this base yet??

hmmmmm maybe the softer base could be mixed with the harder base that I have to make it less drying/burning to the skin.

Goin to check out NG right nwo...

Noodle, do you have a fav base and is it sulfate free??

ok I currently make my own cphp soap and it is great. I thought I would give the m&p a spin and see if it compares . I believe it scents better but I am having issues with dryness. It totally dries my hands out. I also feel some burning with the sfic low sweat white, sfic low sweat clear& sfic white base...

ok I have tried wsp goatsmilk not too bad but hate the moistness of it & to sticky gooey feeling.

I suppose i could add some oils to sfic base and probably will to see if that dryness changes.

I wondered if anyone has tried

Essentials by Catalina Natural white m&p soap base.

I need to know your skin feels after you have rinsed and dried off and how long it lasts in the shower.

I am looking for the most natural base i can find , no sulfates etc that has good lather , non drying and lasts in the shower.

If there is another base I am missing please let me know.

oh and cost is a big issue too .

I live near wellington fragrance but a pound of m&p is round $3.50 and thats no shipping...

EBC 40 lbs comes to 2.65 a lb...but I need to be sure bout that before i take the plundge....

Thanks

These look great, I've been looking for some graphics for my labels, as the original poster of this thread has on her label. The frame she has around her wording. Does anyone know where to buy that type of graphics, like different sorts of framing?

I have print shop 15, kinda old program but it has graphics that are frames and one of them looks similar to kitn's

rebecca- jojoba, olive, almond are carrier oils many others...yes they will work. I did mine with half fractionated coconut/jojoba and the coco butter no mango cause i"m out of that...turned out fabulous.

I do a jar for the body scrub and it is good. ok some customers are worried bout germs getting into their facial scrub ugh well then.

Maybe I just need a better way to get that stuff into the tube. I use a ziplock freezer bag and pipe it in there...problem is, it is thick like peanut butter and doesn't , ya know, just fill up...have to keep slammin it to pack it down.

Only other thing i could do is reformulate it to be thinner but really don't want to mess with the recipe.

cute wickerstix...Thanks so much for all the help and advise. Everyone here is so very nice and I just want to let you know that it has been super to have peeps like ya'll to bounce things off of.

Just started some web design...lots of work to do to get that ready!!

gotta love those emotions ...I think i'm feeling all of them right now :tiptoe::rolleyes2:p:yay: All except that mad on lol

Have a great week gals....I'll check back in sometime after the holiday when things should be getting completed with the busi.

good point numbers...do you know who carries those for round .90 cents a container...thats what I get malibu with tops and that includes shipping...Get from soapies so maybe she has something.

only problem with her is she doesn't have pics of evertyhing

ok, that is two votes for the jar and another few customer votes for jar...I guess I am changing it to a jar....

Now that will be much easier to work with.

Now what size...right now the tube is 7 oz and what style soo many decisions.

You bring up a very good point Blazerina, what do I want customers and potential customers to think when they hear the name...Defininetly not ma & pa,,, kd essentials will stay ...already started the process...dba then license etc...

Thanks soooo much all of you for you helpful advise!!

I am soo geeked to be able to bring my products to the public.

Family and friends have been loyal customers for the past 5 years so i am sure that the public will be pleased with the quality of what I have to offer.

Ok now here we go.

Yes I agree with getting all of it, but my only concern is that it is easier to use a tube than opening a jar in the shower...well that is where I use mine (in the shower)

huh! why didn't I think of that lol...thanks scifichik

What would you prefer if you were using a sugar facial scrub

Malibu or a Jar

My Facial scrub is thick but i have found a supplier that has a top that works for my scrub ...it's just such a pain to fill malibu tubes but probably more convenient to use for customers.

What would be your choice???

thanks for the info kitn, gonna try these today...Oh shoot I just realized im out of mango...could i use just cocoa and maybe a hint more carrier oil?

Ok , I have posted in name help please thread looking for help with a business name but decided to keep

KD Essentials

now I have just thunk this up and not sure if I like it but here goes

K. Leen Essentials only because my name is kathleen and i now think it looks too much like kleenx oh well.

or it could read Kaleen Essentials That a is long In Ka like Kayleen.

hmmmm tell me what you think

keep KD Essentials

change to some form of Kayleen Essentials

sounds like an interesting soap...I would like to know ...what qualities does it add to you soap? Might have to try this.

Thanks chris.R..I will check them out tomorrow when I have more time,

I think New directions is pricey bu I will check

blazerina, everyone has been raining on my parade so no worries..one needs outside input to get a look at things you don't think about yourself so ...all advise has been helpful!!

final answer here is

k.d. Essentials - Same name I had before I started the brainstorming

Some peeps think if I change the name to incorporate the use of the idea that products are natural etc that i limit myself to only b& b natural products. I have a tendency to add things like art and what not.

k.d. essentials is wide open to everything I keep adding.

Then the products can be their own name like Pure soap, Pure face, Pure body scrub,

maybe a line for teens called naturefix ...jjust rambling

Mens line Bigshot lol, (larger bars)..or something Macho

Ya, still need to work that all out