Crowded House

I would "REALLY" be interested to see some facts especially on the whole soy is not "truly renewable issue".

I'm sure Top will correct me if I'm wrong but I think the point was that paraffin and soy are both technically "renewable resources". Plants grow, decaying matter turns to oil.

One just takes longer to "renew".

How do you figure those are 16oz candles when the shipping weight of the box is listed at 1 lb for the Bamboo Jasmine and 1.5 for the Green Tea and Verbena?

I'd bank that those are 6-8oz candles, max.

I'll keep an eye out for it.

post in the classifieds and sell this CRAP they call 4627! I'm officially insane because of it.

Is this how you're going to word the ad?

Let's hope not. The availability and price of drugs is important too. Plus they're a renewable resource.

if you were to assume that .5 oz wax was norm, to triple it would be 1.5, so therefrore the same amount in a gallon of lotion would be 12 ounces of fo in lotion

Well, that's only 12 to 24 times the recommended amount; where's the problem?

I think Brazil became energy-independent that way as far as what cars are fueled on.

So ethanol is the Anti-Drug fuel?

I see a difference between hype and hyperbole, too. It may be hype to push the "renewable resource" aspect of soy when it comes to candles, but it isn't much different, in my opinion, than touting the energy and resource savings that recycling offers (in some cases it's true, on the other hand some things actually take more resources and energy to recycle them than it would to just create new). It's a simple way to advertise a newer product/service by offering facts through catchy/memorable phrases and terms.

Hyperbole begins when you go the "burns completely clean!" "you can even eat it!" "paraffin kills!" and "recycling will save the Earth!" route. None of these things are based in fact nor do they do the product or the customer a service to pass them along.

It doesn't say renewable resource on a bottle of Crisco oil, which is made of the same stuff. Presumably because it isn't the "renewable resource alternative" to some other kind of oil.

I suppose this could apply to either side of the debate but the bio-diesel people certainly seem to be pushing the "renewable resource" aspect of vegetable oil-related fuels.

Ethanol has been around quite a bit longer than soy wax, too, and doesn't appear to be in the "passing fad" category any longer.

Glade has some brilliant marketing, but yeah, pretty pricey...

Beautiful Feet - two things:

HTP wicks are not cotton cored. HTP stands for "high temperature paper". They are paper cored.

Morris Wax up on north National Street in Springfield has a good variety of paraffin wax and paraffin/veggie blends and they have an Eco-Soya line too if you are interested in trying soy. It's a family business and the folks there are very helpful and nice.

Good luck to you.

Nobody new, Bruce.

But I don't know any more than I've said, really.

I'm thinking this might be someone with a wicked sense of humor...

BFC.com, did you recently move from Kansas City to the beautiful Ozark mountains?

The Anti- Drug candle:laugh2: ???? Wow...that's all Im saying...Wait one more thing.....Did you come up with that????

Yes, but it's not on my site.

I was stating the context in which that statement was made. It is not an argument. It was my opinion. Those statements about soy farmers aren't in any relation to paraffin. Saying that they are the clean burning candle or don't soot, as in relation to ______, is what I was referring to. I don't exactly get what you are disagreeing with me over. From what I can tell, you feel pretty much the way I do.

You could be right , and I don't mean to come across like I'm picking on you. Perhaps I just need some clarification.

You said:

When you say something is a benefit, you are claiming that it has properties that are advantageous over similar items--benefit means an advantage. So even if you don't say paraffin, you are IMPLYING it.

It is ridiculous. Stand on the merits of your product. If your products don't have anything selling points other than to bash another product, then you should not be in the business.

Maybe you're right and I am just being pedantic here. I do see a difference between "Soy=good, paraffin=bad" and "Our candles burn cleanly." What I disagree with is that the latter automatically "bashes" paraffin in an unfair way because that statement could be made by any candlemaker no matter what wax they use.

I was referring to the soy/paraffin issue, which is what the thread was discussing.

I still disagree. Every product out there "bashes" the other products by default when they say that theirs are "better" for whatever reason.

I see the problem not being "bashing" another product but using hyperbole to artificially elevate your own product. "The production of soy candles helps to support American soy farmers" doesn't bash parrafin nor is it neccessarily hyperbole. "The production of soy candles keeps coca farming to a minimum in Brazil - Soy Candles: The Anti-Drug Candle!" doesn't bash paraffin but it is hyperbole.

If your products don't have anything selling points other than to bash another product, then you should not be in the business.

Oh, I don't know...saying your candles are hella better than the ones at the dollar store is bashing another product, but it would be true for many people here who should be in the business.

Of course that's been said many times in this thread, I think.

Yes the fro has been posted here or on the old board at some time. BUT just for fun......

Okay, I'm late to this debate but I just wanted to add that immediately to the left of Bruce's 'fro is one cool looking candle!

I'm looking forward to trying that carving stuff someday.

Dunno if this helps, but Wix-n-Wax out of Gladewater, TX has GB 402 and GB 444, and Just By Nature in Mesquite, TX has GB 444.

If the person is just contacting you for free samples without ordering.....ignore her or email her back with the "I don't give out free samples spiel". I always put a votive or 2 in a customer's order, but the spammers just looking for anything free I totally ignore. Let them walk into any store and see if they will give a free sample before buying.......I don't think so!!

Yup. I would just ignore the email.

I had one "lady" send me the same form letter three times in the space of two weeks. She even asked me for free samples of specific things I don't even carry.

If you want cheaper like USPS but tracking and such like UPS you might look into DHL.

Totally.

greatcandle dot com has it.

Good luck.

If you found some way to do it so that there was absolutely no chance that the cinnamon sticks could float over to the wick and catch the entire top of the candle on fire then it might work.

I think "not a lot of time to test" and putting combustible items in a candle are not really a good mix, though.