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On 11/16/2020 at 9:13 PM, TallTayl said:

How deep?

 

is there a lip/curl inward?

 

I would generally inclined to start with 3 wicks in that size. I do not use your wax, but a similar coconut I would start with cd5 depending on the FO I aim the curl of the wicks away from the center.

 

Thanks TT! It's straight sided, about 2 inches deep. I did try 3 wicks with HTP 1212 last night but it was sooting so much. I forgot to take a picture - will attach it later!  

Would HTP 105 x 3 work? Any premier equivalent? 

Hi my lovelies! After 3 months, I finally got vessels from Alibaba! They’re round glass jars that kinda look like food containers😂 6inches in diameter! I know I should use 4 wicks, but where do I start? It’s my first time multiwicking...

I’m using IGI6006 and I have HTP, Premier and Zinc core. 
 

Thanks in advance! 

Yeah, I see that. Do dyes generally make it more flammable? I noticed that paraffin will burn hotter than soy based on my very limited experience, and some FOs (like bayberry). 

11 hours ago, Marisa11 said:

Yeah definitely wick up. I think because it’s so shallow too you aren’t going to get the same heat you would from a taller vessel once the wick is lower.  I used an HTP-72 the other night and it was too small but I can’t find my HTP-83 wicks. I’m usually good about putting them away in the right place and I don’t think I used them all. 

Here is the second burn, 5hrs, no wick trimming prior to starting the burn
 

pink has the biggest MP

blue is starting to catch up

white has the smallest MP and most tunnelling - i think it’s because I cut the wick too short to start

HT was bomb, but that’s cuz all 3 were lit😂

On 10/30/2020 at 7:42 PM, Marisa11 said:

@candlecraftshop yeah a 72 or 83 might work if your inner diameter is about 3” aren’t the pineapples kind of shallow? I’ve never seen one in person.  Are you adamant about just HTP? Paper core was awesome. 

Mostly because hemorrhaging money - I just want to make this work so I don’t have to buy yet another set of wicks 😂

these are the pineapples with htp 83 and coco apricot from WW. First burn x 4 hrs, and definitely tunnelled. HT nonexistent. 2nd burn today, starting to get HT, tunnel apparent but will wait and see if the flame catches up. Still wary about the diameter tapering from 3in to 1.5in at the bottom, so I will burn these puppies down to check before switching to 93. 
 

They’re so pretty though. Flame is so still, I love it! There is that infamous htp lean though, the burn is uneven. Wondering if I should take that into account when centering the wick?! 

21 hours ago, TallTayl said:

Once again, replies in red above. 🤗

Hah! Thanks again! Also a serial crafter here, getting into woodworking to mix with candle making (have access to a mill and fantabulous power tools, and a ton of black walnut). Also resin. And adding them all together. At this rate nobody can afford my pieces. Lol. Oh well. Next thing you know I’ll go buy me an alpaca farm and use alpaca wool for wicks 🤷🏻‍♀️ 

But back to candle science!

Do you find you like using stabilizers in your own blends? Or leverage current blends that already contain them? I agree on CO72 consistency, I have a giant bucket that’s untouched because I’ve shifted to candles 100% in the past couple of months. It feels different from the costco ones, etc. 
 

i also have some unused lard and tallow...mmm tallow candles. Wasn’t that a thing before?? Lol. 
 

Am I just too harsh on 6006? I just wanted a titch of paraffin so maybe I’ll just play with the 40kg of coco wax and make me some coco-ffin (more coco than paraffin so I renamed it; lol). I will probably still use a soy base of 415 - will have to suck up the fact that I have to order from 3 separate companies. Ugh. There are some aspects that I do like about soy. And I want them all to play together and get along together! 
 

Would the HTP series and Premier work with soy-coco-para blend? 
 

i tried coco apricot creme last night, and CT was kinda faint, and I still had adhesion issues when I looked this morning. So frustrating. 
 

but that’s just the day to day experimenting thing, I guess. FOs are such fickle mistresses - maybe I really should make a cap on the number of them in my harem😂 

20 hours ago, Marisa11 said:

I made a candle with 6006 mixed with coco apricot and got a killer HT in a small 1.5oz votive. I added the coconut to make the 6006 creamier and help with the sinkholes and adhesion. I didn’t stick with it because I wanted to just stick with one wax and not have to worry about getting it from different places. 
 

yeah coco apricot is so expensive, and after what TT said about it eventually going rancid, I’m turned off a bit. And yes I wish I could just be content with 6006 since IGI is literally made in my city. 

 

I just got some microcrystalline wax from Swans last weekend and was going to play with but for my wax melts. 
 

what would the micro do for waxmelts? Im not a big fan of wax melts for some reason, maybe because i cant get a decent ht from mine. 

 

Instead of the Vaseline you can also try Crisco shortening. I think they suggest 1oz a lb to help with creaminess. That’s only what I have come across in my research though and haven’t tried it myself.

will try the crisco, maybe. Don’t really wanna😂😂

20 hours ago, Marisa11 said:

 

I have been on a huge additive kick myself have a base 130MP and 140MP paraffin to play with. So I feel like a scientist. 
 

at what point can we call ourselves candle chemists? 🧐
 

 

19 hours ago, Marisa11 said:

 Yeah if its a 3” diameter HTP-83 maybe even a 72 would be good. Ive only seen pictures of those it seems bigger that 3inches. Maybe because I’ve seen a lot of people double wick them? 

 

@jmspgh You lucked out with the lids being out of stock. The Nova jars are really nice but the lids OOF! I wouldn’t even call it a lid just a plastic disc that loosely sits on top. I gave them to someone for free who was looking for them.

 

Look at Sixteenseventeen.com for nice jars comparable to Dream Vessels maybe better. I have a ton of jars I got for a killer deal so I’m not looking but I like their look and if I was looking I would go there. They are Based out of San Francisco, CA owner is extremely nice, I think they offer free shipping over a certain amount too. 

Wow. A single 72? I poured a few last night and they turned out so pretty with the coco apricot creme that i dont want to test burn it😂😂😂

5 hours ago, TallTayl said:

This was a long discussion, my answers are in red bold within the quote.

Wow where have you been my whole (chandler) life? Ok, when I grow up, I want to be like you, TT. *much props*
 

The coconut wax for me is mostly a cultural thing - my family used to have a coconut grove back home (Philippines). I want to integrate to give a nod to my heritage. But hey, if it doesn’t work then it doesn’t work. I’m a soaper, and work a lot with CO72, and didn’t realize until now that coco wax is basically just the high temp CO. That means about a 2 yr shelf life right? Huh. Antioxidants should definitely be in the mix - something good to know! 
 

I’m very new to this compared to a lot of people, but I bring a voracious appetite for knowledge and love teaching and troubleshooting. What I know now and 2 months ago is light years apart😂 So many mistakes made. 
 

Anyway, I’m taking a wee break from my cocosoy and 6006 blend and seriously contemplating just sticking to 6006, since I found a reliable source for it. There’s just something about it that I don’t like - hence the mixing with cocosoy perfect blend (which I heard was mostly soy). I also find that I’m one of those people who get headaches with paraffin-heavy candles. That’s anecdotal for sure, it could just be from the FOs. 
 

I like the longevity of paraffin for sure, and also somewhere on facebook we were talking about how it was dinosaur-derived, which tickled me in the noodle. Do you have a favorite paraffin wax to play with, TT? 

Speaking of DV, I have a four caseS of the fleur/pineapple containers and using coco apricot creme from WW - has anybody wicked that container? I only have 5 lbs of the coco apricot creme and probably won’t buy more because of the logistical nightmare of buying stuff from the states (I’m in Canada). Because it’s 3in at the top and about 1.5in at the bottom, I was thinking of starting with HTP 83. Do you think that would be too big? I’m going to use a longneck tab so there’s more wax left before the container gets too hot. Thoughts? Advise? Ty!

14 hours ago, TallTayl said:

When you say “pure soy” and “pure  paraffin” and “pure coconut” I’m not sure what you mean, since I interpret things differently than most. 

 

Most wick tests at the manufacturer test in paraffin of a certain blend, 1245 comes to mind, though I have no idea what that is. retail paraffin blends have additives, such as vybar and other trade secrets to make them perform. A pure paraffin could be many different fractions from refining the paraffin, such as oil or some other solid. 
 

Pure soy, to me, is something without any typical additives. Midwest Soy is my all time favorite to build a soy base from. GB 415 used to be good, but changed too much back in 2016 to work with. Speaking of GB waxes, 444 and 464 have “soy based additives” to change the feeling and performance. As does C3. All are called pure soy, but each is very different in performance. I do not like any of these for basing my blends on because a) they change too much from lot to lot, and b ) are not great even when they are mixed well. All of them soot even without additives/fo  to some degree.

 

and coconut... don’t get me started.  Some, loke 6570/6046 are some kind of paraffin with a dab of coconut something to cash in on the craze. Coco83, one of the most common is different from coco apricot, coco brew, etc.  not one is majorly coconut.  It is so frustrating. 

Ah sorry for not clarifying - I meant "pure" as in no/minimal amount of additives. I wonder if all the issues of quality varies because chandlers dont mix the wax all over again once it's heated? 

My 6006 might already have vybar so me adding 1-2% will just bind with the FO, resulting in less throw. 

I was thinking of using base waxes - thinking of 415, whatever coco wax shipment Im getting from China, and something that IGI makes, since they are local to me (Toronto!). 

OR just be content with IGI 6006 and add base soy and base coconut to play with. I basically want mostly soy, then paraffin, then coconut - a lot more research is needed though for optimal ratios and whatnot - mainly for containers and working with htp/premier/zinc which I have on hand. What does coco wax bring to the table? soy? paraffin? What does each individual wax prefer w/r/t temps/mixing/scents/wicks? My brain spins when I try to think of all the variables to account for in pursuit of the perfect candle system!

I love the experimentation process, but the monetary hemorrhage is uncomfortable. 

4 hours ago, TallTayl said:

If you get the Vaseline with no additives it should be fine to burn it low levels. 
 

The reason for additives is to improve shortcomings of a wax. I have tried white petrolatum in a plain soy with success. The reason I tried it was to improve the melt performance and slow the inevitable drying of soy wax that has no paraffin in it. I do not love premade candle blends so building from the ground up has been a great learning experience. 
 

Without knowing exactly what additives are already in your blend from 6006 and cocosoy it’s hard to say how petrolatum will help. Cocosoy waxes are so ambiguous in this new trend. 
 

it is always worth a test. If you have the time and materials definitely experiment and take great notes. 

Yeah I hated the fussiness of pure soy, and didn't like the brittleness of paraffin, and after many combos, I've settled on 1:3 of cocosoy and 6006. Initial candle testing with tins showed lots of promise, great HT, smooth tops. Having trouble wicking a glass 3in diam tumbler though, going between HTP (83, 93, 105) and Premier (755 so far, might go up or down depending on the fragrance and how it's been behaving). Premier looks so promising, but it's still sooting, so I might have to wick down. I tried adding vybar at 1% and 2% last night to 2 separate containers, and I might just start with 0.5% of vaseline and see how that behaves. 

I'm thinking of making my own blend, since I will be getting pure coco wax in the next 2 wks. Tips on 100%soy and 100%paraffin?

This is all so exciting, so happy to find a forum who thinks about the chemistry of these things, and love experimenting! 

Hi TT, I've been admiring your knowledge from afar, coming out of the closet now :)) 

So I'm also on a quest to understand the chemistry behind additives and candle making in general, and the above info you shared is making me want to go grab a tub of vaseline and add it to my blend of cocosoy and IGI 6006 to see what would happen. Thinking of comparing 1% and 2% simultaneously - what do you think? Do you know if it's safe to burn? I'm trying to find microcrystalline wax but it's really expensive! Thanks in advance!