Thanks Suzy! I agree! I spent 6 months getting my candles "right" before I sold them and still test new FO with family and friends. I've already reordered the 464 and will experiment with the 415 when I have time. I've been doing a bit of research and it sounds like a great product. Sounds like it needs to be poured at a cooler temp., but has a great HT! Maybe not a total loss? Out of curiosity, what do you use for your melts? Mine have a great throw, but are super soft. Especially this time of year.