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Swell! Anyone interested in a "slightly used" candle business? I can compete with Yan___, but EVERYONE goes to WallyWorld! I knew I should have told my wife she was crazy when she pushed me into opening a candle shop. I don't get out to shop, but my wife does. She's asleep right now, but I'll bet she knows about WM's new candle line. She'd keep it from me as long as possible, because she doesn't want to add more stress in my life. As if we don't have enough to worry about already. Dave

I've not tried the two "Southern" DB's mentioned. I may have to check one out. I'll still just buy a pound though since everyone seems to rave on it. I hate paying 2 to 3 bucks for an ounce plus shipping. It's hard for me to do any effective testing with only an ounce. I remember reading somewhere that Dragon's Blood was actually a blooming plant (flower) that grows in the orient. I think maybe that is the reason there are two very different versions of the scent on the market. One might be true to nature and the other (more popular) FO being a resinous concoction. I don't want to initiate a controversy. It's just a suggestion of why there are differences in the FO. Angie; Please give me a call whenever you can. I promise not to talk for three hours like the last time! ((((((A BIG BEAR HUG)))))) Your old pal, The Idiot

You know the horse; "Mr. Ed" Now you know the horse "Mr. Bill" Isn't he a really nice guy?

Hey! Everyone! I'm sorry if I threw a wrench into the gears on this thread. I thought I had made it clear that I have tried neither the TCS wax or the CBL-129. I was basing my ASSUMPTION on the specifications that were listed for the TCS tart wax and Raven's posting that the TCS owner's mother and not the owner was the one making the claim that there was no soy in it. The melt point and FO load capacity are very similar to IGI-6006 and I know it works well in tarts. The coconut reference and crumbly properties were in my head too. I use 6006 it just sounded to be like that to me. I, like everone else have a concern about using anyone's propietary wax due to availability issues, but between the two suppliers I plan to TRY the CW wax. My reasons have been stated in earlier postings. I agree completely that everyone should use the wax they prefer to use. I was only trying to give some assistance by doing a bit of research through a supplier that I know and trust well. During my discussion with my "horse" we talked about trends in the industry. He agreed with me that wickless wax projects seem to be gaining a serious momentum. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a major manufacturer like IGI develops a wax blend specifically tailored and marketed for highly scented wickless projects like tarts. If they do it probably would not take too long for most quality suppliers to add it to their inventories. As for me changing over to the CBL-125, I already have tested it in and I know it will exactly replace IGI-4630 for me. I don't believe Candlewic will ship sub-standard propietary wax like I have gotten in cases with the IGI label stamped on the box from another supplier. Just my opinion. I really hope someone out there creates an awesome tart mext wax and posts the formula on the board. For me, though, I'm done testing my own blends at this time. I like creating fragrances, but blending waxes gives me a headache. Yep! I'll accept that TCS tart wax has no soy in it. I do hope you all are lucky and it arrives in the form you want it in. My choice would be pastilles. I'd try to stock up on it before the summer months though. I bought a case of beeswax pastilles in August a few years ago that arrived in one big lump. Talk about sad! Please keep us updated on any advancement or tests. This thread is not only interesting it is informative and perhaps essential to staying abreast of marketing trends. Thanks! Dave

I just read this! Sorry! That sounds cool! "potions" for horses! My brother (The one with cancer) and his wife have a small horsefarm near Wellsboro, PA. Horses scare me! Yep! Big old me! When I was a kid I had a very large one bite me and step on my foot! OUCH! I once delivered an expensive & pregnant Arabian to my brother. It was a BD gift to his wife. It was a 6 hour journey. I had to help load and unload her. I stopped every hour or so and checked on her and I had to take her through the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel. I needed Valium to make that trip. I'm not a "horsey person", but I like horse movies and people who do like horses. Karen; I'm really into apple scents. CS "Apple Harvest" IMO is one of the best. I still need to bake a batch of "Bananapple Bread". Sounds Yummy! Dave

Ditto!

According to Ravens; The mother of the owner of TCS claims that the tart wax does not contain soy. That is my understanding. I've never seen it, myself. I will, however, state that from what I've read on this board and the TCS site it sounds like a para-soy blend to me. (IGI-6006?) I'm not trying to be evasive or obstinate, but I'm not interested in buying or using it. Another member will have to report. Sorry, Karen! I wish I could have been more helpful. OH Heck! Look for a PM in your inbox in the morning. You're too nice to leave hanging, but I need to go to bed. I'm in serious pain. Sleep tight all! Dave

Yes, but only "off the record". Sorry. He is too much of a genuinely nice guy to comment on a competitor. I respect him for it. I'll be 64 in September and I have no concern with buying a "wickless wax" from a supplier who has been in business for so long. My "friend" is a second generation chandler and supplier. I would have to know what type of wax I was working with, before I sold it. He told me and I believe him. A wickless petroleum wax in my opinion would not need the extensive testing as a wax used for wicked projects. I'm just not at all concerned with this suppliers stability. It may be problematic for shipping expense on the more western members of the board, however. I'm sorry I wrote CW-125. That was the old designation. It is now; CBL-125. SORRY for the mistake. Ravens; There's a chance that I'm wrong about TCS tart wax. It might be very similar to CW's 129. I don't have either in my shop so I'm not able to compare them. Maybe another member will pitch in and comment. I've got a sore back and tired eyes. I'm turning in early tonight. I won't even be having dinner, as if I needed it! (lol) Night!

Dear Cynthia; MOST experienced chandlers will report that the best result for H/C throw will be achieved with one ounce (weight) of FO per pound of wax in wicked projects. (Controversy to follow?) I think pretty much everyone you've posted with, know you are a nice person and an experienced chandler. I stumbled more than a few times when I first joined here and I was active on another board for years. JMO/HTH Happy Chandlering! Dave

UPDATE: I spent about an hour in phone conversation with my friendly supplier. We had a great chat about several things. One of them of course was TART WAX. As I expected he was reluctant to discuss another supplier's propietary products, but I will report, he did not disagree with my assessment of their tart wax. After much dialog on industry trends towards wickless wax products, I have decided I will be testing another soy-less/petroleum based wax for my clamshell tart melts. I will be buying; CBL-129 from Candlewic, Doylestown, PA. After testing it, I will report again on my findings. CBL-129 has a reported 10% FO holding capacity. I now know this wax will be all petro and from a company that has been in business a long time. Did I mention, it is the closest source of wax for me? Candlewic also has a 200 lb. shipping break with UPS. I have never had a problem with their service. They were the second candle supply source I purchased from. Pourette, now long out of business, was the first. I am an "old school" chandler that believes; Despite the many benefits of soy wax, nothing will "throw" better than paraffin. I will also be buying Candlewics CW-125 for my primary container wax when my current supply of 4630 is exausted. I'm hoping to find it more consistant than the IGI packaged product. This is not a paid for endorsement or advertising. In case your interested in trying one of their waxes, too; I'd like to mention that they are selling their premium FO's at $1.00 off for the next few days. http://www.candlewic.com/default.asp JMO/HTH Dave

Thanks for the "silly"! I needed that! I feel giddy! My daughter just got told; "NO CANCER!" YEA!

I'm having some problems getting through to the "horse". I have his number on my speed dial, but I keep getting looped back to their initial answering machine. I'll try an email next. I do have a concern that the supplier may not be permitted by IGI to go into a lot of detail about their propietary waxes. My horse may not want me to let the cat out of the bag either. Now that we have a bunch of animals running around in this thread, I would like to add That I have spent most of this day doing archive research on this board. It seems to me that there are many overlapping and contradicting opinions that may be making this whole issue much more complicated than it actually is. Let's add another animal or two to the equation. Are we beginning to act like a dog chasing his tail or perhaps a rabbit running down his hole? I still feel that TCS "tart blend" is based on at least a blend of IGI-6006. I understand they claimed no soy, but everything they are admitting to in the description points in that direction. I've never bought from them. I never even heard of then before joining this board in January. It would be very inapropriate and improper of me to make any statement either pro or con about them. I will state though; I agree that everyone has a right to protect their propietary recipes, but I would never buy and sell a wax product that I didn't know what type of wax(s) it was composed of. I would also not buy wax, not knowing what form (slab/flakes/pastilles) I would be getting and I would be quite reluctant to use wax from a source that I might not be able to replace for reason's beyond my own control. This is just my own opinion. Hot throw is so very subjective. We mostly all are plaqued with CM nose. We all are selective in our choices of FO. I have a headache, from trying to make sense about these "propietary" blends and the tests that have been run on them by a lot of chandlers in at least four threads I reviewed. I don't want to be a party pooper, but unless my "horse" is willing to enlighten us after I email him, I'm going to stick with my own blend of 90/10 wax for tart melts. IGI-6006/IGI-4794. It works for me in the fragrances we stock them in. Both waxes are quite available from many suppliers. I need some Advil and a nap. I will post again, If I hear anything worthwhile. Sorry if I have added confusion on this thread. The very last thing I would ever want to do is to try and persuade a fellow chandler to abandon a product or supplier they are happy with. Apologies in advance. Dave

I think you may have missed the post; "Thanks for the advice, Dave. It worked!"

CW actually sent a sample to me a year or more ago to prove that CW-125 was IGI-4630. I'll mention it now that the horse is out of the barn, or so it appears! CW states that CW-130 is a para-soy blend with single-pour characteristics and a good "pull-away". I've never used CBL-130. I cannot comment on the validity of the claim that it is not the same as 6006. FWIW; The CW-130 looks and acts just like 6006, IMO, though. CW-130 and CBL-130 may not be the same, but I am just a tiny bit suspicious anyway. Maybe it is just a coincidence that the numbering is similar. As I have stated about a thousand times . . . I ain't no expert. I am, however, always curious. (lol) The search continues! :rolleyes2 Dave

I got the info from let's say; "The horse's mouth". I'm unable to access my stock room right now, but I'm pretty sure I have about 5 cases of CW-130 there. If my memory serves me right it's IGI-6006 (parasoy), but please don't quote me on that one. I'm holding a sample of IGI-6006 in my-non typing hand as I write. It is the same propietary wax I have in stock. I'm really confident, but not certain, that the same "horse" told me about that one too. This I do know! The melt point of IGI-6006 is 130F. :rolleyes2 I called the "horse" earlier and left a message requesting he call me back. I've got my fingers crossed for all of us. If he gets into this wax, so will I. I think the trend to wickless is for real; Even more so than soy for wicked. The supplier(s) who take notice of this will be ahead of their competition. JMO Dave

OKIE DOKIE !!! (Sounds like another "clue" to me, though!) "Something else" ??? Curious Dave

I'd rather not divulge how I know at this time, but CBL-125 and CW-125 are IGI-4630A, my container wax of choice. I started making fragrant containers with IGI-4627. It's a great wax, but I switched to 4630 when it came onto the market. I prefer it due to the production method we use when making our candles. I will be calling a supplier shortly. Hopefully I can interest him in this investigation and encourage him to add the wax to their inventory if it's not already there. I will also let you all know if it's OK with him to mention his company. More to follow . . . I hope! Dave

I remember being told at the Post Office/Printing Shop on Duke of Glouster Street in Colonial Williamsburg, VA that sealing wax was made by adding shellac flakes to beeswax and dying it with cochineal. I might be wrong, but that was what I remember. You might find the "recipe" on the internet. I agree with Chefmom that the red wax used to coat Gouda Cheese and other cheeses would make a better wine sealing wax than sealing wax which is very hard and brittle. If I were making my own wine bottle sealing wax, I would make a blend of 75% General Purpose Paraffin/25% Bleached Beeswax dyed a rich red color for my red wines and a deep green for my whites. An addition of Stearic acid or Vybar would be an aid to opacity. When using, I would allow the wax to be as cool as practical to permit a thick coating without having to do numerous dips. A small monogram stamp on the tip would make a classy touch. I would also bear in mind that it would still be important to store the bottles in a manner that the contents kept the cork from drying out. I have made my own wine, but it was many years ago. I found I preferred the store bought variety. I do know that wine making supply stores, sell bottle sealing wax. If she's looking for special colors you may want to come to her aid. You also might encourage her in the use of a presto pot if she doesn't use a similar melter. I doubt that this will be a profitable enterprise for you, but it might be fun and a value to a friend. For the record, shellac flakes can be purchased from art supply stores. They are a bit pricey. Shellac is made from the carcasses of a certain type of beetles. AKA; "Shellac Beetles" I have made sealing wax as a young man. It was an interesting project. Useless, but interesting. I skipped the cochineal and used a red candle dye, though. If memory serves me right; cochineal is another "bug-body" product. It was many years ago. Let us know what you wind up doing, please. TIA JMO/HTH Dave @ Charlotte Hall Country Candles

They don't sell Hotters, though here in the US. My wife claimed they were the best made and most comfortable shoes she has ever worn. She has a small room in our house just for shoes! It's insane! I have 6 pairs and two of those are slippers and another two are sneakers. I've bought some gold Krugerands from SA, but I'm not giving them back in exchange for wax. YIKES! Edited; I didn't see that they have domestic production facilities before posting. I'll try and find out more tomorrow. Fingers crossed!

My wife bought and fell in love with a pair of Hotters Shoes when she was in London. She wanted another pair and I went online and contacted them. They told me they would not ship them to the US. I was pi**ed. (Not drunk). Now I understand! I'm not aware of Sasol Wax. If it's a British or European wax, my guess is not many in the States will be working with it. Does anyone know where the company manufactures the wax? Dave

So . . . What are your thoughts on "Mulberry & Patchouli" ??? Sneaky Dave

Thank you both, Chanlerwicks and Mulberrysoap. You have now flushed "Mixed Nuts" from my brain's short-term memory bank. UNFORTUNATELY . . . For the rest off the night "Muskrat Tracey & Muscrat Sam" played to the tume of the old-time "Captain & Tennille" hit will be looping in my brain over and over and over and .....! ! ! Yes Tracey Dear, I'll post anything I can that's useful to our search. GOSH SAM! I was going to ask you to join me in some cultural exchange boxes we had discussed, but I had no idea it was so very expensive and complicated. I've bought a lot of items from England, but not since I was hospitalized several years ago. I thought that most of the time I was being overcharged for shipping by the seller, but now I feel differently. We Yanks have little to complain about with shipping problems and costs compared to you. I'm not sure I would continue to do this if I were to relocate overseas. More to follow in our next PM. Take care. I need to baste my prime rib roast! It's starting to smell better than any candle. Hey! How about it! "Prime Rib" FO !!! Hungry David EDITED TO INCLUDE UNREAD POST; How do you pronounce "SASOL"? I don't want to mess up and have my "friend" think I called him an "A**hole" or "Sass Hole" YIKES! If that happened it would mean no help on our "Quest for Wax."

Sweat not my darlings! I NEED to know too! I'm sure if my "friend" knows he will tell. If he doesn't know I hope he'll call IGI and find out. I cannot imagine IGI would want to offend him, but they might not care about losing one of us little "peeps". (JMO) I'm going to encourage him to get involved with this board if he isn't already. His company is always being broght up as a good supplier. I won't, however, "give him away" unless he say's it's OK. More to follow. Dave EDIT; HEY! How about Alan? HELP US ALAN! WE NEED YOU TO GET US SOME GREAT IGI TART WAX. PLEASE!

"Mixed Nuts" !!! Now I will have the movie that starred Steve Martin stuck in my diseased brain the rest of the night! BTW; I keep a clothespin in my candle pouring "laboratory". I clip it to my nose when working with a certain fragrance. I've actually named it. I'm afraid that once I reveal the name, you'll scratch me off of "Travelers" list, but; Here goes; . . . I named it my ; "Patchouli Pin" !!! I will concede though that "patch" is present in MANY good smelling fragrances. I just seem to have a problem with it when it is predominant. Don't hate me, PLEASE ! I think you are, well . . . SWELL !!! Dave

Sam; I never meant to come off like I was suggesting you were impatient. I'm sure you are not. It's often hard to express one's self with written words only. Do you don't mind telling us on the board; Who is your primary source for wax, fragrances and containers? Do you buy from a Canadian supplier or IGI direct? Is shipping to the UK cheaper from Canada than the US. Are low Flashpoints and air shipping a posting issue in Britain or Canada? Any unusual problems with customs? I might want to do some shipping to the UK in the near future. I'm Just curious . . . OK! . . . NOSEY !!! (lol) The roast is in the oven. Dinner at 7:00 PM. Sorry! No "Yorkshire Pudding" tonight! "Spotted Dick" is off the menu too, but I plan on having at least one "G&T"! "Heckfire"! Just PM if you'd rather! Any opinions, comments or advice will be appreciated. David