You guys are awesome. Same mold, same temp wax today - little test - no water (thanks for the warning) hit it with my heat gun just before pouring and got an awesome flawless result! Myself, I don't mind the look of the first one either, but some like it perfect, so want to know how to do both. Really appreciate everyone's help. Now if I could just figure out how to get the votives to not do that (not that I mind, but..) I'll put an example on the candle forum cause I haven't figured out how to attach a pic to a response here yet - lol Really, thanks again!