Thanks a lot for your help...my next question was about wax, which was covered in a recent post. My supplier discontinued the pillar wax I was using, so I need to find a new supplier for at least the pillar wax, most likely both, just to keep things simple. And thinking about using a popular wax in case this happens again. Haven't noticed a difference in shipping for buying multiple cases from one supplier, seems to just double. It makes sense to put location on my list of priorities when choosing suppliers.