Hi Islandgirl and thanks for the reply. We are doing quite well with the FO's in the palm, but really wanted to keep the soy range 100% natural pwith no additives etc etc. Guess that idea is not going to be so easy though. We still have 4oz of Lavendar EO to use, so I may get some container palm and try it in that to see how it throws. If it ends up that the EO's are too hard to use then so be it, but I will give it another shot using the palm instead of the soy. As said the cold throw in the soy is awesome, but when it comes to hot throw it just isnt there, although the well read about fuel smell is........ Ahhh back to some further testing. And I thought golf was frustrating, they should try pouring candles Richard