I also joined CW - Master deal. STill cant get over the amount i spent to join, not to mention, addtional cost for extra supplies. I really didnt search very far, thinking soy hadnt been investigated enough - was I wrong - i think so. Perhaps its just around my part of the woods, and CW is a fantastic company to begin with in other parts of this vast world of ours. I think I would be wise not to discuss in an open forum such as this, my experiences, with both CW and product. Never know who is watching! Yes, I am paranoid. Making candles is my sanity. Support sites such as this, are invaluable. I am saving on $s, and time, doing it alone as far as ordering supplies, and knowledge goes. Many suppliers are happy to support potential custom by sending samples - the wise ones ie, & who are confident of their product, and happy to supply any other info eg MSDS, hints how and best method to use their products. People here are friendly, you know youre not alone, and so supportive to help you get sorted out. My couple of questions here have always been answered, with great ideas. Thanks again everyone, who has helped me!*getdown*