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Your head is not thick, you are just trying to understand from "what feedstocks or ingredients" our product is manufactured. Our NatureWax® C-3 is manufactured with soy based wax and soy based additives. There is nothing in the NatureWax® C-3 wax that is NOT soy based.

Forum Board Participants: I am new at this so please forgive me if I write too much or fail to answer your questions w/ enough detail. After reading the string below, I not real sure where to start. So, I'll do it by explaining what vegetable wax "is" and "is not" and why it is marketed differently be manufacturers, distributors and retailers. "Vegetable Waxes" are waxes derivied from plant based material where the plant is grown annually or is curently growing. Candelilia or Carnuba waxes naturally accure on the leaves of specific plants and the wax is extracted and processed. Soybean wax or Palm waxes are processed from the oil that is extracted from the seeds of their respective plants. While palm oil when first processed from the palm fruit is semi-solid at room temperature (similar to Crisco®) soybean oil is liquid at room temperature. Both feedstocks are then "hardened" to a specifc melt point and penetration value by means of hydrogenation. Soybean, palm, cotton most other vegetable oils or waxes are known in the carbon family as "tri-glycerides". "Tri" meaning there are 3 carbon chains each 16-18 carbons long attached to a "Glycerin" backbone. These carbon chains have both single and double bonds. (Wish you hadn't asked, don't ya:smiley2: ) During the hydrogenation process we introduce hydrogen in the presence of a catalyst and break the double bonds and connect the hydrogen atoms to the carbon chain. The more double bonds we break, the "harder" the wax becomes thus raising it's melt point. While, you can use just plain hydrogenated soy, cotton or palm as a wax to mfg candles we have found unfavorable characteristics, thus Cargill has developed blends of various hydrogenated feedstocks blended with "food grade" additives to improve functionality and minimize the specific charateristics of blooming, cauliflowering, cracking and pull-away. We've protected our developments with various patents which are public and can be viewed at that US Patent & Trademark website. We are continually trying to improve our portfolio of waxes, thus hope to be able to introduce some new "novel wax technologies" very soon. In addition, to our own devleopment and research, we have partnered with the Indiana Soybean Board to commercialize their intellectual property. We also work closely with the Iowa Soybean Board and the United Soybean Board to improve our product lines and to support new uses for soybeans. So, why doesn't Cargill openly advertise All our products as being 100% soy? Because they arn't. Some are blends of soy and palm. Some, are indeed 100% soy, NatureWax® C-3 is one of those 100% soy blends. The additives, while indeed food grade, may be based from a palm product, but if the basestock that the blend is formulated from is 100% soy, then seems naturally we could market as such. I don't believe reputable wax manufacturers or distributors are trying to decieve the small candle mfg or consumer by advertising their products as vegetable based versus soy based to hide the components. Just the opposite, they are trying to NOT Mis-Represent what they are selling. Cargill Website I apologize if the Cargill website doesn't provide enough information to the users. The site is designed to provide basic information about our product line and provide a means to contact a Cargill Representative. All firms must decide "how" they want to "go to market". Cargill's approach is to work directly with our customers. We don't want to be an internet based business model, and our web-site reflects our strategy. As indicated by one of the earlier postings, we can be reached at (877-727-0696) and we would love to help you grow your business. Again, I apologize for the length. Thank you for trying and using the NatureWax® products. Del Craig NatureWax® Product Line Manager

Forum Board Participants: I am new at this so please forgive me if I write too much or fail to answer your questions w/ enough detail. After reading the string below, I not real sure where to start. So, I'll do it by explaining what vegetable wax "is" and "is not" and why it is marketed differently be manufacturers, distributors and retailers. "Vegetable Waxes" are waxes derivied from plant based material where the plant is grown annually or is curently growing. Candelilia or Carnuba waxes naturally accure on the leaves of specific plants and the wax is extracted and processed. Soybean wax or Palm waxes are processed from the oil that is extracted from the seeds of their respective plants. While palm oil when first processed from the palm fruit is semi-solid at room temperature (similar to Crisco®) soybean oil is liquid at room temperature. Both feedstocks are then "hardened" to a specifc melt point and penetration value by means of hydrogenation. Soybean, palm, cotton most other vegetable oils or waxes are known in the carbon family as "tri-glycerides". "Tri" meaning there are 3 carbon chains each 16-18 carbons long attached to a "Glycerin" backbone. These carbon chains have both single and double bonds. (Wish you hadn't asked, don't ya:smiley2: ) During the hydrogenation process we introduce hydrogen in the presence of a catalyst and break the double bonds and connect the hydrogen atoms to the carbon chain. The more double bonds we break, the "harder" the wax becomes thus raising it's melt point. While, you can use just plain hydrogenated soy, cotton or palm as a wax to mfg candles we have found unfavorable characteristics, thus Cargill has developed blends of various hydrogenated feedstocks blended with "food grade" additives to improve functionality and minimize the specific charateristics of blooming, cauliflowering, cracking and pull-away. We've protected our developments with various patents which are public and can be viewed at that US Patent & Trademark website. We are coninually trying to improve our portfolio of waxes, thus hope to be able to introduce some new "novel wax technologies" very soon. In addition, to our own devleopment and research, we have partnered with the Indiana Soybean Board to commercialize their intellectual property. We also work closely with the Iowa Soybean Board and the United Soybean Board to improve our product lines and to support new uses for soybeans. So, why doesn't Cargill openly advertise All our products as being 100% soy? Because they arn't. Some are blends of soy and palm. Some, are indeed 100% soy, NatureWax® C-3 is one of those 100% soy blends. The additives, while indeed food grade, may be based from a palm product, but if the basestock that the blend is formulated from is 100% soy, then seems naturally we could market as such. I don't believe reputable wax manufacturers or distributors are trying to decieve the small candle mfg or consumer by advertising their products as vegetable based versus soy based to hide the components. Just the opposite, they are trying to NOT Mis-Represent what they are selling. Cargill Website I apologize if the Cargill website doesn't provide enough information to the users. The site is designed to provide basic information about our product line and provide a means to contact a Cargill Representative. All firms must decide "how" they want to "go to market". Cargill's approach is to work directly with our customers. We don't want to be an internet based business model, and our web-site reflects our strategy. As indicated by one of the earlier postings, we can be reached at (877-727-0696) and we would love to help you grow your business. Again, I apologize for the length. Thank you for trying and using the NatureWax® products. Del Craig NatureWax® Product Line Manager