I also would like to add that LS told me to add vyabar to the c3 and i have added beeswax to the 50/50. Just alot of different combos.And different wics like eco and rrd .:rolleyes2 It just seems as though they want you to fail . So that you keep going back. Its almost like an obsession to get it right. I have spoken to many companys like CR GB,IGI, ect. And they all say they have the best product I have found that alot of these supply places just rename the same product. So it can get very over whelming . From what I'm told there really is only three main brands.The wholesale company just slap a name on it and wala . Different product. This is just what I have heard .