Nickie

Personally, I never cared for pillar of bliss....just didn't have the throw I was looking for whether it was blended or used alone. In fact, I have some sitting my the trash can now! Haaa. 

There isn't necessarily a standard that I know of. From my perspective I think people are looking for more intense throw for a short number of hours. I don't know if you're getting the answer your looking for here, as this is a suggestive topic. And one that has many, many variables. All of which can be hard to pin down independently of each other. 

I've purchased lots (spent $1000s over the years) of wax from many handmade wax vendors who have successful businesses. As far as number of hours I have had with their waxes....it ranges from 0 to 24 hours. I have never melted anything in my very large, wide open space that has lasted beyond 24 hours. Ever. Typically I get around 5-6 hours. And in order to get this kind of throw I'm melting 2oz at a time, in 3 warmers going at the same time throughout the space. 

After my years of testing wax types, my own blends and loads of different oils by a range of manufacturers, I find that a particular oil is what determines the hot throw in melts over almost every other variable. If an oil won't throw for me for 5-6 hours minimum at a 5 (I rate then 1-5 for intensity), then I'll trash it and move onto another oil or oils. Now, this is all my opinion and as I have stated, I am not sure there are standards. It sounds like you might need to rely heavily on outside testers. 

If you only want 4 at a time, yep, expensive. I do my stickers with make stickers.....4" rounds for around 25 cents each. But you do have to buy several hundred to get this price. 

On 1/5/2018 at 5:55 PM, Sebleo said:

Ok, a follow up question that may be easier to answer.  Is there a market for wax melts that last 25-40 hours per ounce with a throw in just one or two rooms? 

All the other melts I have tested seem to throw into a larger space, but only for 4 to 6 hours then they fade out. I feel good about the longevityof mine, but am concerned with the space the fragrance fills. 

Any thoughts?

 

 

That wattage is your warmer. Try melting them in 20 or 20w warmer and see if the throw and longevity changes. 

On 1/5/2018 at 11:33 PM, Tony said:

Funny you should say that because I had ordered a few oils from them and just finally got around to putting them in wax so far loving what I smell 😊. I will definitely check out their Jasmine!  Thank you. 

I've been testing more from

them lately and I'm liking tons of their oils too!  

Flaming candle has a straight jasmine fragrance that is crazy strong. Might give it a try. 

On 12/12/2017 at 10:21 PM, Gary in Canada said:

I just tried a coconut/soy blend and it poured beautiful...and had a great HT after only 48hrs. (I got impatient).. the only problem is...$$$$. 

Which coconut wax did you try?  

Just curious.....has anyone tried soy from California Candle Supply? Looks like they have a soy Pillar wax that comes in slab form. As well as other options. It's slim pickins' out there for Pillar soy, so I've still been searching for a good option for testing. 

Honestly, I would never reuse a clamshell myself. They hold scent and color.  Depending on how old they are, the fragrance can start eating the plastic too. Overall just not a great idea to put a chemical on it to remove what is there, then pour more hot wax and more fragrance chemicals. Asking for a disaster, if you ask me.  Plus it is not at all expensive to buy new ones. 

Is it cloudy at 180 too?  Or just when it's closest to 150?  If it's cloudy the entire time, the fragrance isn't bound to the wax properly. If it's only as it cools, it's likely fine. Wax is molten at higher temps and what you're seeing is the solidification process. 

On 12/5/2017 at 7:52 PM, Moonstar said:

 

Which paraffin is transparent ?

ive seen several YouTube videos 

on different wax vendors as they 

are referred to and to me the reviewers that make the videos 

seem odd to me. As in they get 

into the wax thing a little too much 

I wish I could remember the one lady's name but geez imo she takes this whole thing a little too 

seriously. I mean we're talking about wax here. She's over the top

and  quite mean. Do people really take it that seriously . Sorry I went 

off track but it's so weird to me .

4627 and 4725 both have a transparent quality, as compared to other waxes. 

I don't disagree with you!!  These people can be harsh and VERY crazed!  But the sad part about the success or failure of the online wax melt busiensses in this circle is driven by these types of reviews. One mistake and you're done. That is why the scent loss was concerning to me. Many of the wax melt accounts on YouTube and instagram have thousands upon thousands of followers, they all follow each other and listen to one another. The competition for wax melt companies is already stiff, without any errors. 

On 12/3/2017 at 2:22 PM, TallTayl said:

Could be the packaging. Some plastics suck out scent. 

This is was the first thing I thought it could be. Thanks!  

On 12/3/2017 at 11:13 AM, soshiegirl said:

Do you know what type of wax they are using?  It could be the fragrance, fragrance load or additives used or a combination of both.  

She states that her wax is an all paraffin blend. Plus her wax is very transparent, which is not possible to get when using soy. 

There is a bit of controversy going on in the Vendor wax world, pertaining to one particular vendor's wax melts losing scent after around the 6-8 month mark. This wax blend is a soft, highly sliceable, all paraffin blend. 

My my question is......what causes this?  How can I keep it from happening to my melts?  

Obviously I use high quality oils, but I do have a soft, all paraffin blend. I do know that wax melts don't last forever, but I want them to last as long as possible, as I know lots of customers buy loads of wax that they think need "curing" so they keep it for months and months on end before melting. 

Had anyone had had problems with this issue?  Does soy help melts last longer before burning?  

Your thoughts on this issue are greatly appreciated! 

Micas won't color the wax. I frequently add mica to my melts, but only after I color them first. The colored will intensify slightly when the mica is added, but they can't be used for an overall colorant. 

On 11/12/2017 at 12:24 PM, Sarah S said:

My understanding is that the 129 is IGI's 4625, just CWs in house run of it. Same with the 125, that's I

I reached out to them for clarification on this recently. 

125 is 4630

129 is 4794

130 is 6006

141 is 4625

but please note, candlewic only purchases the base waxes from igi, then throws in their own additives to produce thier final product. So therefore, they are a like product, not an exact match to the IGI waxes. The consistency may NOT be exactly the same from thecandlewic waxes to IGI waxes. 

On 11/11/2017 at 3:26 PM, Sarah S said:

 

Thank you, that mix is next on my list to try!

450 is my Pillar wax choice. I get better results from it than any of the igi products. But it's very hard. Very. And opaque. Just FYI. 

I think the 4630 415 combo is a little too soft for melts. I would try adding more of a harder Pillar or votive paraffin to your blend. 

Ive added steric to 4630 at a percentage from 1-4%. At this level, I wasn't able to tell any change at all. It certainly didn't harden the wax like you are wanting. Vybar in my experience will harden it much faster, but it's too risky in trapping the scent. Too much vybar is needed to get the hardness you want in this blend without messing up the hot throw. Again, I suggest a harder paraffin wax be added. 

On 11/2/2017 at 1:30 AM, Daisymay66 said:

Does anyone use oils from here? Any thoughts? TIA

Yes I do!  Too many to list or even count!  I espically love thier Lush dupes. Most are spot on. Good quality oils, imo. 

3 hours ago, Faerywren said:

Awesome! I know they say scent is subjective and everyone discerns fragrances differently and blah, blah. But throw us a bone here! It's very frustrating indeed!

And yes, their products are good quality and they have great FOs, but I've been most disappointed with their dupes. Most that I've smelled aren't even close!

That was the bs line they gave me....scents are all subjective. I responded with yes, to some degree, but that all scents are made with certain notes and that is all we were wanting from them. 

I agree about be being utterly frustrating!  And I explained that to them too and also said most makers wouldn't purchase from them with NO description. Less than two weeks later I started seeing some descriptions. Maybe they are still working on getting them uploaded. We can only hope. 

1 hour ago, moonshine said:

The best yank dupes are WSP - every one  I bought are perfect - I don't use many yanks dupes but I would think they all would be prettt spot on

cms oils I wasn't impressed in soy at all, they smelled cheap and weak to my nose 

Good to know! 

Kerven I said this based on my use of all paraffin. 

I would love to have a lb of each of the following

inlet lakegrass

pink sugar 

provence

7 hours ago, Kerven said:

I've been browsing through the holiday blends in the Yankee mixology lists and saw a few things that looked interesting. Now, I'm on the hunt for Yankee dupes and came across The Candlemakers Store. They have over 100 dupes... and I'm overwhelmed, especially so since they don't have descriptions and ratings/reviews.

 

Has anyone tried their Yankee dupes? Are they close to the real fragrances? Is the quality adequate? Anything I should be aware of before placing an order?

Yes thier products are good quality. Some dupes spot on, others not. Just about like every other company, just have to try them. But I would recommend thier products overall. 

Note, I put in a compliant to thier company a few months back about the lack of scent descriptions. Since then, they have added some descriptions. Guess not on these. I did tell them how frustrating is was on our side. 

On 10/13/2017 at 10:09 PM, wthomas57 said:

I/We have mostly been talknig about after the candle is extinguished... not just when melting in the melters.

Every customer/tester who has used candles made out of this wax report the same problems. Its REALLY bad

You should certainly do a review of your experience about these waxes on the site in which they were purchased. Suppliers and the manufacturer needs to hear real experiences from expert candle makers and not just the reviews of those being paid or those selling the waxes. 

On 11/1/2017 at 8:41 AM, Barbara AL said:

I like The Flaming Candle’s Problend 600 great Parasoy 

I second this.