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Thanks for sharing! My next step will be adding FO hotter then pouring around 180, I'm thinking that will help since I keep hearing about how the hot throw is amazing on this wax and mine seem to be falling a little short. Back to testing!!!

Thanks! It's so hard to imagine that FO's could work better with less added, but i'll try it, it's so frustrating when you want an oil to work out that doesn't want to. I do preheat my oils and use a combo of htp 104 and 105 wicks, what's kind of odd is the 104's seem to burn faster and reach a full MP before the 105's, and i would assume the opposite would be true. You never know what's going to happen in testing, i had 2 candles made at the exact same time with the exact same htp 105 wicks and one burned perfect and the other was so much slower to burn. When i started using 4627 the IGI instructions were not loading on their website, i cobbled together my temps from what i read here on the board, going to check Igi's site again. Thanks for your imput, Horsescents, always appeciated and great to hear about the candle nose, always forget that!

Hi All, I'm been using 4627 and for the most part love it! One of the most important things for me is a super strong hot and cold throw, which is another reason why i chose 4627. I've been adding 8% FO and for some scents it's working out (like honeysuckle and florals) but others seem weak, like woodsmoke, cedars, patchouli types. I can't figure out if this is just the nature of these kinds of scents or i'm doing something wrong? I heat wax to 205, add fo at 180 and stir for 2 minutes then pour at 150. Should i add more oil, i was under the impression i wouldn't need to with this wax. My oils are from great suppliers. Many thanks!!!

I bought a gin from Sweetckes and love it. Its straight gin with no fruity additions. Its a harder oil to throw in candles though, but smells really nice!

I would love to find a somewhat reasonably priced straight up Galbanum. SOS has one that smells great but priced at $15.60 for one ounce of the xc extreme i just can't justify using it for my candles. Although i do appreciate the tip about their ISO E Super, going to place an order for that, thanks rctfarv3!

I should add, no offense to the veggie wax people! I LOVE soy and it was and is still my first choice for wax, it just doesn't like me right now. I will come back to it and keep trying, definitely want to do a 100% soy candle, just need more practice and sorry, I was trying to move this thread to the general candle making section, can't do it for some weird reason!

Hi, I just wanted to post my testing results moving from soy (cb advance, then C3) to Paraffin. Just did 2 rounds of testing for the paraffin and I'm thrilled! It's so much easier (well, not cutting the IGI 4627) but my candles so far have no bubbles and they burned clean and look great! I have a 3" container and the suggested wicks from Candlescience were all underwicked, which I figured they would be, but other then that all looks great! I dusted off my Eco wicks from testing in cb advanced and one thing i noticed and remembered is they leave a discoloration in the melt pool, anyone else experience this? I'm still toying with the idea of adding a "touch" of C3 to the Paraffin to call it a soy blend but I'm so happy not seeing bubbles that I'm not sure i want to mess with it. Regardless, I'd make sure I get the straight IGI 4627 correctly wicked and burning before I start mixing. Thanks for listening! ps trying to switch this post to General Candle Making Discussions, can't seem to...

Thanks for your replies! OldGlory, yes, I've actually ordered IGI 4627 and it's sitting here looking at me right now (haven't tried it yet) but the perfectionist in me can't seem to let the C3 wax go without a fight... but I am completely losing the battle! It's such a bubbly wax! I originally switched from Ecosoya Advanced - I was able to make a perfect looking candle with not a bubble in sight it but it had absolutely no hot throw so I thought I'd give C3 wax a try. I've done everything short of singing them a lullaby to try and get them to work, but I'm left with bubbly candles no matter what. I tempered the wax overnight and when I reheated it in the morning the bubbles were out of this world, so many of them!!! I think I'm the only one where USA made my tops even worse! I'm giving it one last go with my testing, I made the most perfect relief holes yesterday and will fill them this morning. I was thinking my relief holes were too messy before and that maybe was causing more bubbles, but in the end I really don't think it should be this difficult. I've been putting in the time, (and yes, I have a completely isolated, draft free wooden box I put them in to cool, I preheat the jars, but not too hot, and they cool on baking racks inside the box) I really wanted to use soy but now I realize I really want a candle that is bubble and sink hole free with a nice hot throw, maybe 4627 will be my hero?! It's been a long journey and am really excited to have a candle that works! I like reading that this wax just doesn't work for some people, it makes me feel like less of a failure! Thanks all for your comments!

Hi All! I have had the most difficult time with my soy wax (C3 Naturewax) cooling evenly. My tops always cool much faster then the bottom, creating crazy bubbling and air pockets, especially around the wick. My husband and I have been troubleshooting and testing for close to 6 months now and doing everything correctly, but it's close to impossible to control the cooling. We cool in a covered wooden box on a cooling rack in a 70 degree room. The only thing left that I'm wondering about is the glass I chose for our container. It's a Libbey 11 oz Heavy Base Rocks Tumbler with very thin (1/8") sides then about an 1" to an 1-1/2" heavy glass bottom. Could the thick glass bottom be messing up my cooling? I just realized it may play a part after all this time (duh!) but I'm not sure? I've been doing some searching on this forum to see if this has happened to anyone else? I did decide to place an order for the same size glass by Libbey, only with a glass bottom that has a more even width with the sides, hoping maybe that will help? Any insight is appreciated, many thanks!

I've tried it all, or at least most of it with C3 wax, and believe me, I wanted it to work. I have USA (not UA) and it actually made my tops more bumpy, I couldn't believe it! I've also tempered my wax after doing a search on the boards. I've been on the phone with the scientist at NatureWax 4 or 5 times so far (he's so super nice) and we've been trying different pour temps and still can't get success, I know everyones been there but it's so frustrating! Pouring hotter gets air bubbles, pouring cooler gets them too! The tops always look horrible and lumpy unless I don't rip the wick. If i "rip the wicks" after they set about an 1 hour it does get rid of some of the tunneling and major air bubbles I get around the wick when I don't rip the wick but not enough for me to feel comfortable to sell them since they still bubble afterwords, always around the wick. I also have to remelt the tops where the wick was ripped with a heat gun which ends up looking bad. I don't know what else to do. My father is a chemical engineer and even he's gotten involved with my testing, we just can't seem to get it right. One possibility is I live in the East Coast close-ish to the ocean and our apt. is drafty, I cool the candles in closed wooden cabinet and keep our apt. temp at 70-71 degrees but maybe I just don't have enough mastery & control of my environment? One thing I wanted to avoid was doing a second pour but maybe it's necessary with this wax, the scientist said it wasn't though. Regardless, I just want my life a little easier when it comes to making candles, but I'll try some more until my IGI 4627 arrives, thanks for the words of encouragement!

I always thought soy wax was a more environmentally sound choice but that was before I did any research! I have now completely changed my thoughts on paraffin and soy wax after actually doing the research, however, I do wonder about other customers that may be turned off thinking the same thing I used to? In the end, I've decided to make the best burning candle I can with the best scent throw and all signs are pointing me to paraffin. Now more testing and waiting for the packages to arrive, at this point I just want to make a functioning candle without any issues!

Thanks for all the responses! This forum is an amazing wealth of resources and i'm so lucky to have found it. I'm just about to place my first order and the minimum is 25lbs so i'm glad to read that people like this wax. For me, i'll trade the messiness for the annoyances of the bubbling sink hole filled soy wax containers i've been making! And i'm not sure why i want to add soy wax to it except that i have 20 lbs of c3 that's going to be wasted if i don't use it, but that being said, i'm certainly happy to start with just the igi paraffin and go from there. I'll just be so happy to be able to get a better scent throw with hopefully less issues that i was encountering with soy wax. I'll be happy to update the board as i do my testing and thanks again!

After 6 months of trying to work with soy wax, I've decided to add paraffin to the mix. I've gone from using CB Advance to C3 Naturewax and have had issues with both waxes. CB Advanced produced an lovely looking candle but had no scent throw and I just can't get beyond the sinkholes and bubbling of the C3 wax when i burn it. I've tried and tried but I just don't feel like dedicating another 6 months to a year to perfect something that i'm not 100% convinced is the right wax for me. From what I've read, paraffin is alot easier to use (although I know I have more testing ahead of me) and most importantly, has a great hot throw which is the reason why I wanted to make candles in the first place, for the scent, not the soy! So I've decided to buy IGI 4627 paraffin and mix it with my C3 wax. I love the description of the IGI 4627 wax as being soft, personally I love container candles that are made with soft wax, it seems like they always smell really nice as well as have a wonderful glow. Does anyone have helpful hints or experience with mixing these 2 waxes? I'd appreciate it & many thanks!