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You know, I really don't know where my head is sometimes! I think I just read that on the board ... and I never connected the dots.. LOL.

I'm putting an order in for the smaller HTP's right now!

Thanks bunch!

FunFlames, I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to reply ... you've been more help than you know, lol! Sometimes it just helps bouncing a problem off of another chandler ... kicking things back and forth tends to take the frustration out of the problem, lol.

I hadn't thought about the melt pool being to hot ... I'll bet you're right. I knew it was getting to deep at the 3 hr. mark ... average between an inch and a half to two inches deep. I'm double wicking a 16 oz. apothacary ... with HTP 83's. I went down to 73's but they weren't big enough, I did try the 104's but they were way to hot and there was no throw with the 93's. I usually don't have any trouble double wicking but this one has had me scratching my head, lol.

I'll try the vybar and maybe kick up the amount of soy just a tad. I hope I can get this to work, it'd be a shame to waist all of this wax. I do have another blend that I usually use and I just love it, I stumbled onto it by accident one day and have used it every since. I must have got to sure of myself though cause this 4627 blend has sure been a humbling experience .... LOL!

Thanks ... you know, I love the HTP with the 4627 ... the problem I've been having with this blend has been the "dag-gone" things keep falling over! They aren't drowning out ... they just bend over at about the 3 hr. burn point! Crazyest thing I've seen ... lol. After they cool and you relight them they burn fine until the melt pool gets going and then it happens all over again. Maybe this is the down side of blending your own, LOL.

Thanks FunFlames for your replys! I'm blending 4627 and 415. I have a lot of both and was trying to use the wax up (these are just for me personally ... not selling them). I'm using quality FO's (CS,MC,Peak) ... I've tested from 6% up to9% (don't want to go any higher than that) ... the scent throw is "OK" but not wonderful which really surprises me because 4627 has a really good HT ... also this blend seems to need to be a little "harder". Any help would be appriciated! Thanks.

LOL, I have a blend that I've been working on for a while and it's good but just needs a little "something", hehe. I just wasn't sure which one to add ... vybar is for paraffin ... USA is for soy ... I'm a little confused as to which one would work best in a blend? I should add that the blend is 50/50.

When blending paraffin and soy (for containers), which additive is best to use? Vybar or USA?

I'm working on getting my business back up and running after being closed for awhile and wow I've been shocked at the price increases on everything. I just paid 11.36 shipping on 100 wicks! Yuck! Won't do that again. The bad part about that was that the supplier was in my own state! No wonder hubby's been raising his eyebrows on the cost of supplies, lol. All in all though, It probably can't be any easier on the suppliers than it is on us.

Taking into account we work with both soy and paraffin but not together as a blend, I am wondering what it is exactly you all prefer over the blend rather than either as a stand alone product.

I feel we have achieved great candles both with paraffin and soy and do the soy to market to the "soy" crowd, an alternative choice. If we offered a blend we couldn't do that, I don't feel comfortable marketing a blend as a soy product and I sure our target group choses soy over paraffin for their own reasons.

Having said that our paraffin outsells our soy hands down, probabaly due to the cost difference in our pricing structure, we just can't produce and all soy candle for as little as a paraffin. In addition we offer a limited selection of soy products so that ofsets the sale figures as well.

So I guess what I am asking is do you feel you that with a blend you get better throw, a better looking candle, can market it as soy....or what?

Just curious

Wendy

I think it's just a matter of prefrence. Someone made the point that both paraffin and soy each have there own issues. In my opinion the para/soy blend tends to even out the issues on both sides. Personally, I like working with the blend better than just paraffin or just soy. As far as throw, again in my opinion you can achieve a good ST with any of the three and as for marketing, I would think that you would market them as "Para/Soy" ...

Another vote for mixing them together!

Honestly I like the HTP wicks better. The jury is still out on the Ultra Core.

Thanks, I'll do that! Thanks again for your reply!

Does anyone know of a supplier for these wicks other than Early American?

Thanks

Thanks for the advice!

I've been on the phone all morning trying to talk to a "real" person ( gotta love the automated systems, lol) and so far haven't gotten through to anybody .

As far as the liability issue ... that is a really good point. I hadn't thought about it. I don't know that it's going to be worth my while to have my attorney handle this at this point (he's really expensive, lol), my hubby retired some months ago so all I'm going to do as far as selling goes is a few craft shows and small orders here and there. If I remember correctly, all I'll need for that is a tax ID and maybe insurance ... I'm thinking a new "biz" will be the way to go.

Thanks :smiley2:

My daughter and I have been in business for several years as partners but decided to close over a year ago due to some unrelated family issues. All we did was just make the business dorment, never canceled our licenses. At any rate, now we are both going back into business but are going our own seperate ways. She does bath and body and I do candles ... honestly, the paper work for partnerships at the end of the year is a real pain so we decided that it would be much much easier if we had seperate business. She has already started working on hers ... name, ID's etc., and has given me full control of the old one. My question is ... how do you dissolve a partnership ... there was never any legal papers drawn up but we are jointly listed on our tax IDs and Employer ID's and also on our fictitous name registration. Would it just be easier for me to completely close down the old business and start a new one???

Any advice would be appriciated!

Thanks!

Hi Allison,

How long are your test burns?

What I meant by jar temp was ... can you comfortably touch the glass at the end of a three or four hour burn. If it's to hot for you to touch at that time then I would say that the wicks to big for the container.

The test burn is usually about an hour for every inch diameter of the container (example: 3 in. container ... 3 hr. test burn). You should do several test burns ... using all the wax up of the candle. If a candle burns well all the way to the bottom then I would say that you have a winner ... lol.

I also wanted to add that as far as wicks go, use what works for you (Keeping saftey in mind). You could also try another type of wick to see if you liked it better. Although I tend to be partial to the HTP wicks for the 4627 I have used RRDs and Eco wicks sucessfully also.

Good Luck!

Kate

Hi Allison,

Welcome to the board! How deep is your melt pool ... and ... what is the jar temp at the end of your test burn? My next question would be ... what percentage of FO are you using?

Kate

Here is a link to the product info for 4627 http://candlescience.com/library/pdf/IGI-4627-Product-Info.pdf

It doesn't give a whole lot of info but if you search around the IGI site you may find other information that might help. I love the 4627 but as I'm sure you've found out by searching the threads on this forum it sure can be a "bugger" to wick. Someone on this forum had suggested giving the HTP's a few twists to help to get a more even burn ... I took their advice and it worked great for me. Wishing you all the best!

I agree. The IGI web site recomends the HTP series for this wax. I've used eco's, LX's and CD's but the HTP's tend to perform the best for me.

Thanks both of you for the info on the shipping with Kennedy's. I'll keep that in mind when I order. Not sure I like the high min. either, but, a few of the other suppliers we deal with also have high min.'s so we just bite the bullet and place large orders when we can. Frankly, I'm just greatful to have a lead on new wholesalers! I can't thank you all enough!

Thanks for the response. I'll check them both out. Thanks again!

Anyone know where I can get enamelware wholesale? Looking mostly for mugs w/lids. Thanks

I have 100% pure soy wax candles that I poured one and two years ago and they still smell great! Nice and strong scent..no fading of scent at all!

I guess with what you and candlemandave have said .... that statement is not quite true. I wonder how they get away with making statements like that??

Well I have a Bean Pod candle that my husband bought me. It is scented in 'hot chocolate' and smells fab when you take the lid off. Burn it and you smell NOTHING. :undecided

I tend to buy the competetors candles too, just to see how they compare to ours. I think we did buy a Bean Pod a few years ago but I can't tell you to much about it.

Candlemandave, thanks for the great info. on soy wax! I'm not an expert on soy so I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask .... glad I did! Thanks again.

Thanks Gravity for your response. Truthfully, I was researching a problem that I am having with a para-soy blend that I'm playing around with and came across this. I had never heard that statement before so I thought that this board would be the best place to see if it was true or not. Thanks again.