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Oregon is close enough to where shipping is not much. I am near the top of California.

This is very helpfull, thanks.

I did not know new directions was in California. For some reason I had concluded it was elsehwere. Now I find that they are.

My company will turn into a non-profit. I'm also getting into shampoos and lotions. The lower functioning individuals can pump those into retail containers safely.

Also micro-farmed catnip.. Candles are doing great though..

Hi,

My policy is strict because the candles are nearing entry into higher end stores that are more corporate. Just the level before the required UPC labeling on the bottom from larger chains or larger stores.

Any rust of any kind is not allowed. I will continue carrying some glass for only a few that are so good.

I've found that vanilla from Natures Garden does not rust. It's called french vanilla. Though there oils like the oils from CandlesAndSupplies can commonly suffer from being to weak.

Nathan Young

It is difficult to imagine that wax which is meant to blend with fragrant oils is any different from one wax to the other. No matter how much makes contact with the side of the container a small amount is capable of making it rust if the offending oil is reactive to the tin in that way.

444 is capable of holding, though depending upon the oil, allot of scented candle oils in comparison to at least some other waxes. I use the maximum (1.5 ounce) so as a result offending oils will likely rust the tins faster because of the sure quantities of the offending oils.

The offending oils actually rust the tins and it's not simply dis-colorization.

If the Tins give me many more problems after more testing I am not going to do metal tins. I would rather do ceramic containers with lids, all hand painted.

Many of the tins have had no problems.

Golden Foods 444

Fortuna, did you search for rust in tins on this board? There is a lot of material covered here. The only wax that does not rust in tins is IGI6006. I pour about 10,000 6 oz tins per year & the only wax that does not rust with vanilla, heavy scents is 6006. You did not say what wax you use, but some waxes just react with some FOs. Because of this, I use 2 waxes in my candle business & it's a lot of trouble, but it works. Carole

Yes I did as well as many times on google and yahoo. The actual wax however does not seem to be the issue. For over 4 months other franceses and this wax has worked fine. It's just 3-4 in pre-production giving problems.

I strongly feel after over 4 months of testing that the wax is not the problem. It seems to be the more dense fragrant oils.

The majority have not rusted. At least they are not all rusting. I'm making around 5,000 candles the next 5-6 months as stores want a hundred or more in each. Already did testing but was disapointed I will not get to include some popular scents.

I am in California. I've searched and am not happy about the results. I was hoping someone here knew of sources. The product type is so easy that disability to work labor ( especially lower functioning individuals) unlike candles can safely mix and then squirt the finished product from master containers into retail containers.

I am trying to find organic lotions, shampoos and conditioners. IF not organic more natural inerts.

Nathan Young

* I noticed this after posting. This post is likely best suited for the forum below this one. Although making luxury bar soap might be something to talk about. I'm looking for suppliers in or near California for these types of products.

I was hoping to avoid the costs of testing.

Sample oils

Test containers

It all adds up and I am frugal so I am not happy about it.

If you work for a fragrance company perhaps we can arrange a buy power arrangement.

From CandlesAndSupplies there 18 ounce metal tins rusted with my pouring some fragrant oil that also rusts from a new tin source. CandlesAndSupplies I am sure sells metal tins for candle making. I believe I can test future additions by pouring fragrant oils in the tins directly and see what happens.

There must be some sort of differential technical spec that I can learn so that I can talk to suppliers before ordering to assure compatibility.

I think there are tins that are made for candle making. The more general run the the mill tins are cheaper. I have sampled multiple tins from different makers.

I find that the soybean wax is not the issue. It's the fragrant oils. I don't think it has to do with the smell type of a fragrant oil but some sort of base ingredient used.

Testing side by side I notice more expensive and very nice oils are creating the rust whereas other sources of the oils there oils not near as much. That is why I am contacting the chemist to see as they should know all of the technical stuff associated with the reactionary properties of tins rusting and their ingredient bases which would effect it.

I am using plain varnish tins. I need to order 500 - 1,000 at a time from any source that is new and price per unit is a major factor. I am employing people with disabilities so my overhead is high. That's why I decided to convert to tins anyways because it lowers the CPU enough to where others can be included to make the candles.

Make them and test market them in consignment arrangement at a few local stores. This will allow you to understand potential demand before you invest more money and time making dozens at a time.

From my understanding beeswax does not work well in containers, though I have not tested it. I also can get it local. I've seen beeswax sold in plastic tea lights for $1 each tea light.

I am also interested in making pure soy essential oil candles. I have not done any testing but would like to know you experiences.

What happens when you put to much essential oil? Do some essential oils catch fire? I heard that to much lavender can make someone faint.

http://www.mavericklabel.com/process_color.html

I use these people. I use the waterproof processed color labels. I can get anything on them and it comes off with a watered cloth.

I run Fortuna Candles, it has gotten 2 newspaper front page stories and another non-front page article the last few days. Fortuna Candles is disability to work candle making. I would very much like to know how you approached these schools so that I can put some of my employees to work in my area doing fundraiser candles locally here!

Using a 3rd party substance increases labor costs per unit (and or just my time personally) and seems as if it could not be safe. It's best I stick with what does no rust.

With regards to other scents I am making a hand painted ceramic candle container series. Ceramic does not rust but costs the consumer more.

I am contacting scent makers and asking that they forward a note to their chemist(s). Finding just what makes metal tin rust and avoiding the base substances is best.

Nathan Young

Hi,

I am finding after testing that certain fragrance oils will rust metal tin containers. After some months I find that the rust seeps into the wax creating dis-colorizations in waxes that do not have dyes.

Are there certain properties in the oils that create these reactions whereas others don't? Do some fragrant oils have water in them?

Because of shipping and the need to keep overhead down metal tins are important. I am continuing to test and have decided to drop fragrance oils that are incompatible. This despite some of the fragrant oils being popular.

My other solution is separating the fragrance wax from the tin but using a mold and wrapping the candle in plastic. The candle customer would unwrap it prior to use of course. The problem is I would need molds that would release soybean (Golden Foods 444) from the molds. Any ideas?

Nathan Young

P.S I am interested in gaining candling, soap (shampoo and bar soap) as well as lotion crafter contacts. Perhaps by online instant messenger or even here.

I e-mailed but no response.. blah.. Perhaps in a few days..

I have what I want designed in my head. If I knew how to take that design and put it on the PC I would. Granted I know Ulead 3d and Photoshop, it's just that I'm not totally skilled at it to the degree in which I want it to be done then sent to a printer company.

All I want is an ovalish label that has a white background and a gold line around the edges. The gold must be shinny and look classy. With a Fortuna name in cursive in black in the center. Simple, elegant, high class and basic.

I am not sure how to PM the designer that responded.

Ive seen Kountryhomeprinting.com before, I'd hope my comments are not recieved by them. I'd sure like something a bit more professional then the styles presented there. myownlabels.com has some ok ones, just I'd prefer something not over-priced and less used.

I've looked online and found two places that offer a solution to candle label design. All of which were too used, too many people used those candle sample design labels already.

I'm trying to find something unique but does not appear as if it came from my home. Any ideas for candle label design solutions? I do not want to print them myself and would like full color.

Simple, elegant, fancy and gourmet would best describe the product image.