crazzie Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Why does this happen?C-3 waxCT wickHeat wax to 185 add FO and pour at 165 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Why does this happen?C-3 waxCT wickHeat wax to 185 add FO and pour at 165CD wick? I've seen that before and in waxes other than C3; shrinkage. What temp did you pour that at? Common causes might be pouring at a high temp or cooling too fast or both. Some people pour at the slushy stage to minimize wet spots (shrinkage) and craters. Others cool slowly. I think one need to find a happy medium, slushy pouring can lead to rough tops and cooling too slowly allows more or your FO to volatilize away (read somewhere that one wants to see solidification starting within 20 to 30 minutes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazzie Posted October 22, 2011 Author Share Posted October 22, 2011 pour at 165 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleasureridgecandles Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I don't use that wax, but, I have had that happen a few times. I've noticed that it only happened when I poured at lower temps than usual. I got busy and when I checked the temp again for pouring it was about 5-10 degrees cooler than what I would normally pour. Those were ones that were for my personal use so I tried a heat gun and that took care of it. Had no problems in burning afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) pour at 165Hmmmm, I pour 464 at 160 so that is not much different and I have poured smaller containers that didn't crater, so I will let the C3 users step in.Oh, is that a primed wick or a raw (unwaxed) one? Edited October 22, 2011 by rjdaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) That is a classic sinkhole. The wick has absolutely nothing to do with this.Your heating & pouring temps are correct. The candle cooled unevenly, with the top & sides cooling way faster than the hot interior. Cool on a wire rack and protect the top from cooling so fast. This has been discussed in many threads. The temperatures are getting cooler in most places and you will need to slow down the cooling to prevent this. Edited October 22, 2011 by Stella1952 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmc Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I just received my C3 and poured my first candle yesterday (1st time using this wax so I still have a TON of testing to do) but I poured at a much cooler temp and got a beautiful smooth top. As Stella mentioned tho..temps are getting cooler especially where you live. I'm still in the 90's out here and that does have an effect on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazzie Posted October 22, 2011 Author Share Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) I do have it on a wire rack and I also put a box over it. I also warmed the jars in the oven. Edited October 22, 2011 by crazzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I do have it on a wire rack and I also put a box over it. I also warmed the jars in the oven.Try pouring at different temps then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) I use NatureWax C3 and have seen this many times. It is ALWAYS a cooling issue. How many candles did you make at one time? Just the one or more? Prewarming the container has little to do with it. Containers do not need to be very warm at all - just enough to knock the chill off. Cooling over a granite countertop is very different from cooling over a wood tabletop. The ambient air temp plays a role. Unless it's pretty cool and drafty, I cool on a rack on a wood tabletop with a paper towel thrown over the wicks to retain the heat somewhat but not too much ti impede air circulation around the candle. Hot air rises, right?cooling too slowly allows more or your FO to volatilize awayWHAT? That is poppycock. FOs are NOT that delicate!!! Edited October 22, 2011 by Stella1952 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazzie Posted October 22, 2011 Author Share Posted October 22, 2011 Two did a 1lb batch. I used the hair dryer and its gone, but I just hope it will burn ok. Will have to see when I test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 It should burn okay after the heatgun (hair dryer), although the top may look like grainy caca. The appearance won't affect the burn. If I repour one like that, I usually make sure I crash that sinkhole very well so I can be sure the repour fills the hole. Best way to fix this is to learn how it happens and don't do dat no mo'...Let us know how the testing goes. : ) Have fun!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillsthings Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I had my first real experience with the sink hole today. I made 3 small batches, and the middle batch, I got caught up in Facebook and forgot about it, so it was a bit below 150 when I poured it, and I usually pour around 160-165. I don't remember exact temp because I was in a rush to hurry up and pour it before it got any colder, but it caused a nice little sink hole. I use GB 464 and Ecos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) it was a bit below 150 when I poured it, and I usually pour around 160-165. I don't remember exact temp because I was in a rush to hurry up and pour it before it got any colderYou could have warmed it, ya know... LOL I don't dare wander off or do anything else when I am pouring candles (or baking cookies). It takes very little time to stir it down from 185°F to 165°... FB will just have to wait when you're pouring candles LOL Stirring the wax gently as it cools to pour temp is important IMHO. Edited October 23, 2011 by Stella1952 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EccoLights Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 You could have warmed it, ya know... LOL I don't dare wander off or do anything else when I am pouring candles (or baking cookies). It takes very little time to stir it down from 185°F to 165°... FB will just have to wait when you're pouring candles LOL Stirring the wax gently as it cools to pour temp is important IMHO.Agreed, this is a temp / cooling issue and most have said everything perfectly already, but really just wanted to say Stella1952, utterly LOVE your siggy now!We Are The 99%!Ok, back to the topic at hand =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillsthings Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 You could have warmed it, ya know... LOL I don't dare wander off or do anything else when I am pouring candles (or baking cookies). It takes very little time to stir it down from 185°F to 165°... FB will just have to wait when you're pouring candles LOL Stirring the wax gently as it cools to pour temp is important IMHO.Oh, I have burned SOOOO many cookies (and supper) because I walk away and forget. The sad thing is, I have a table set up right next to my desk, so it's like an L-shaped desk now, so I have actually stirred while doing stuff on the computer. It's the weekend, though, so all three kids are home and running around, and for some reason, I just kind of forgot that I was even making candles. This is why I usually stick to making them when they are in school. Less interupptions, less chance of me losing my head all together and forgetting where I am, haha!And yes, I normally do stir frequently while it cools, sometimes the entire time it cools, but then my arm kills me later, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazzie Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 I could not believe how fast the temp dropped to 165. My other wax I wait til 100. Hope everyone had a great weekend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Crazzie, I LOVE that autumn leaf for your avatar! It really IS fall now here, but we don't get beautiful colors like nearly everywhere else in the country... That's the ONLY thing I miss about living in the north... We do have a few trees that turn color but NOTHING like the more northern latitudes...The temp drops pretty quickly in a pour pot, depending on the room temp of course. If one does not prewarm the FO & dye mixture, it's drop the temp way too fast, which tends to "shock" the crystals in soy wax and contributes to frosting issues. Soy wax doesn't like rapid temp changes AT ALL. Slow and easy with it!! Nice slow easy stirring... I often think about walking along on a beach somewhere while I'm lazily stirring wax... keeps me calm more than musing about other topics which can get me so agitated, I catch myself whipping the wax like meringue LOL Jill, I soooo agree about interruptions when making candles (or nearly anything else for that matter). There's nothing quite so perfect at scattering ones neural brain tissue like the word "MOM!!!" shrieked at high volume, the sounds of domestic destruction, the clumping of spousal feet, etc. Even when they were older, they still were a huge distraction... I mean, did the kids bother Marie Curie when she was working on radium? Hail no, or they woulda glowed!!Have a good week, Y'all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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