SatinDucky Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Ok, I've been test burning my first mottle pillar made with the 1343, using 3T pp stearic, 1tsp UV, 1oz FO. The original sweating stopped after a day, wrapped in a paper towel. I've let it sit and cure about 6 days before lighting it. After it's been burning for a couple hours, it starts sweating again I discovered it when I went to hug it and had purple fingertips. Which leads me into the 2nd problem, after just 2 1/2 - 3 hrs burning, it's getting a slight bulge. The melt pool was less than 1/2" deep and walls are about 3/8" thick. It's a 3x4. I'm using a 24 ply flat wick like I do with the 4625. I must need to wick down, but don't have any 18 ply here to try The top 3/4" of it is not longer mottled, but solid purple. Do all mottles start back sweating when they get warm burning or is it just because the the wick is a tad too large? Or am I way off course here and it's something else I'm doing wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Renee Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Can you post a picture?I use a 30ply in my 3" dia pillars using 1343. I don't think you need a smaller wick. I think the wax is just melting and that is why the purple fingersBulge? Where is this at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle Man Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 I found I could only use 3/4oz per Lb of FO in this wax for mottle without sweating. As for the wick I use a 60-44-18Z with good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatinDucky Posted July 23, 2005 Author Share Posted July 23, 2005 It has cooled completely now since I put it out before trying to go to sleep. I did hug it some then(yucky), but as you can see, it wasn't enough apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatinDucky Posted July 23, 2005 Author Share Posted July 23, 2005 I found I could only use 3/4oz per Lb of FO in this wax for mottle without sweating. As for the wick I use a 60-44-18Z with good results.Without sweating during burning?Oh yeah, it was Peaks Lavender, in case that matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Without sweating during burning?Oh yeah, it was Peaks Lavender, in case that matters My mottles don't sweat when burning. Peak's Lavender is killer strong. Cut back to 1/2 to 3/4oz pp. I use a 30ply flat in my 3 x 4 mottles.e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatinDucky Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 Thanks! I'll try that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherie Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 I've also had great success using a 30 Ply in 1343. I love your purple color! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinInOR Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 WAY too much lavender FO You might find at high concentrations that one doesn't smell so good - really - use .5 oz or even less. 1343 'bulges' more than other waxes I've tried - it's *very* elastic and will contort out of shape before it breaks. Try playing with your wax in your pour pot after it cools a bit - almost like taffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 WAY too much lavender FO 1343 'bulges' more than other waxes I've tried - it's *very* elastic and will contort out of shape before it breaks.I'm glad you said that. I was looking at the pic and thinking "that's how my 1343 pillars always look."e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowCow Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 I'm glad you said that. I was looking at the pic and thinking "that's how my 1343 pillars always look."ei was thinking the same too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lissa Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 You definitely have too much FO!! I actually use 1/4 oz Lavendar per pound of 1343, and I usually use 1T stearic pp, along with 24 ply. That's worked pretty well for me. And my pillars look like that too! Keep trying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatinDucky Posted July 25, 2005 Author Share Posted July 25, 2005 Thanks ya'll! I normally use the 4625 and it doesn't bulge like this. So this is normal. But it still shouldn't feel damp and color your fingers when you hug it right? I went down to 3/4 oz pp. I'll find out when I unmold it tomorrow. Does this need less FO because it's the Lavander or all FO's need to be 1/2 - 3/4 oz pp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alohagirl Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 My 1343 mottles bulge like that too whenever I use more than 1/2 ounce FO pp. For some reason it only happens to the mottles, not the cold-pour rustics, even though they have the same recipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam W Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 This is an informative thread. I got a case of 1343A last week & promptly poured 3 pillars - they are bulging like ya'll are describing with the 1343. They are all bulging & sweating big-time so I naturally thought I had over-wicked.1) added mottling oil w/o FO - sweat for 2 day. 2) mottling oil w/Lavendar - also sweat for a couple days & when lit, the sweating started all over again - I did use a lot of FO.3) added a little stearic w/Sweat Pea - a little sweating while curing & mucho sweating while burning but not as much bulge as the others.The lavendar & Sweat Pea sweat so much that when hugged, I gotta go wash my hands. I can cut back on the amount of FO in the future but I don't think I like that bulging. Would adding more stearic or vybar give some hardness to the wax & prevent the bulging? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatinDucky Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 When I cut back the lavender FO (as e recommended) to 3/4 oz pp, it helped tremendously. There is still a tiny bit of buldging, but not much. And hugging is no longer slimey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scent Cellar Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 I think the fragrance retention of 1343 wax is only 3% so that would be about 1/2 oz per pound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fern Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 I used to be a fan of the 1343 but realized that it holds very little FO, thus the intense sweating with mottles...or when burning any type of candle I made with this wax. In addition, I never got a very good hot throw with it. I switched over to 4045 and found that I could add much more FO...1-1.5 oz. per lb...and not have it sweat it's brains out. You can make all of the same types of candles that you do with the 1343...but...without all of it's drawbacks. I'm not putting 1343 down completely...I'm just telling you my experiences with it. Other's have been very happy with this wax, but I bet if they compared the two...they just might consider switching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garf Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 UA or Vibar will reduce the bulging, but will kill the mottling. Depends on what is important to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 I switched over to 4045 and found that I could add much more FO...1-1.5 oz. per lb...and not have it sweat it's brains out.Do you like the way it mottles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam W Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 How does 1343 perform w/rustics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 How does 1343 perform w/rustics?Perfectly, with 3 T of stearic per lb. the rustics don't bulge like the mottles.e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam W Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 E: thanks, that's good to know cause I make more rustics than mottles. I was starting to get depressed since I just bought a case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 E: thanks, that's good to know cause I make more rustics than mottles. I was starting to get depressed since I just bought a case!Same thing here, more rustics....e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterfly Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Really like 1343. Also I like making rustics More then mottles. Probably because my rustics work. mottles not soooo much. LOL As a few can attest to since my stupid ??? by PM:o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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