CareBear Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I've read about it, and even used it following a friend's recipe, but finally I have some genuine SAP numbers for it!Nature's Gifts web site says that the Eco Soya waxes can be used in soaps and then provides the SAP numbers for each one here: http://www.ngiwax.com/ProductInformation/Specifications.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-GRAN-ONES Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 That is good information..I had asked the same question not long ago..Because I have several boxes of soy wax...and would like to use it..What percentage do you use, in your soap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbren Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I've always wanted to try soy wax in soap, but never did. How did yours turn our, Carol? And if you don't mind me asking, what percentage did you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareBear Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 I really liked the soap - I thought it was a bit more cleansing than my usual old lady soaps, but my sister loved it. I don't recall the % (it's on my other computer) and it was a totally new recipe instead of a mod of a current one so I'm not sure what the soy added. I do plan to take a good recipe of mine and add soy so I can see what happens though - do you think I should add soy and thus shift the other component %s down or should I sub for something??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbren Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 do you think I should add soy and thus shift the other component %s down or should I sub for something???I would think that the soy wax would lend to the hardness of the bar, so maybe do 50/50 with one of your hard oils? I'm just wondering if it would cut down on lather like beeswax can. I'd be interested in your findings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBE Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I would think that the soy wax would lend to the hardness of the bar, so maybe do 50/50 with one of your hard oils? I'm just wondering if it would cut down on lather like beeswax can. I'd be interested in your findings.I've never tried adding soy wax to my soap, but I've tried a few bars with soy wax added... IMO... I had to REALLY work it to get a decent lather, and it still wasn't enough lather for me. (I personally like tons of lather.) But it gave it a beautiful smooth texture and hardness.Maybe the lather qualities depend on how much soy wax is used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONNAMAC Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 On the BC board there is a recipe by Flicker that uses soy wax. I have used this recipe and it is awesome. I would put it here, but it is not mine so I don't know if it is appropiate or not. It really is good soap if anyone wants to look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbren Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 What is the BC board? I'd like to take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni S. Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 BC Board is: BitterCreek Candle and Soap Supplies. On the home page, click on the Message board icon in the top, upper right hand corner.HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbren Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 DUH...thanks Toni. I didn't even know they had a message board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapmaker Man Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 It's been at least a year since I tried it, but I used it a few times and do think I remember it did inhibit the lather at the amount I used. I think it was +- 25% area. I think it did harden my GM bars though.Paul.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Ann Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 It's been at least a year since I tried it, but I used it a few times and do think I remember it did inhibit the lather at the amount I used. I think it was +- 25% area. I think it did harden my GM bars though.Paul.... what are the good qualities of soy wax, i mean, what is the reason to add to your soap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapmaker Man Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Jo Ann, I added it just like you would use soy oil as a oil in your soap. I thought, like most seen to think, it would add hardness to my soap, and it did. That was the main reason, coupled by the fact that I has about 15 pounds sitting in my candle area. As ling as it was 100% soy flakes....I thought it would be fine. Like I said I have not used it in at least a year or so, just went on to a better recipe.Paul.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kymber Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I make a soy bar...using the soy wax....for my hubby and 2 sons. They are "gear heads" and forever rebuilding classic cars..totally rebuild the motors and then on to the body work. Not sure why but the cleansing on this bar is unreal. Cuts grease like no other. They swear by it! I also haven't seen a big issue with the lathering as at the sink it lathers like crazy. I have never used it in the shower but they do. I use it at 16% in my recipe and I use EZSoy Flakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 i find that only works at certain times. like, kids, unless you have a good book, its impossible to ignore them, spouses are usually quite easy to ignore. my whacky whippet, maybe, just maybe, i can ignore him up to ten minutes......Totally off topic but I had a Whippet when I was a small child. He was such a love! I bet your is as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo Ann Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 oh...ok. for some reason i love the softer bar. not sure if its a subconscious ' because softer soap nicer skin' hypothesisbut i have so much to learn about soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I've noticed those SAP values on the NG site. I dropped a line to the sales manager at Golden Brands to see if they can provide SAP values too, since their products are so widely available.Too bad we can't program SoapCalc with the other relevant numbers. Soy wax is a veggie sub for lard, like Crisco. It provides some flexibility because you can get it at different levels of hydrogenation. The higher the melt point of the shortening, the lower the iodine value and the more hardness it will contribute.The candle suppliers carry Golden Brands 402 (MP 115-120), 415 (MP 120-125) and 416 (MP 130-135). The 416 would contribute the most hardness.Fully hydrogenated soy has a melt point around 150 and would give you the hardest bar of all. I think this guy uses it at 100%. http://waltonfeed.com/old/soap/soapchem.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapgirl Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 On the BC board there is a recipe by Flicker that uses soy wax. I have used this recipe and it is awesome. I would put it here, but it is not mine so I don't know if it is appropiate or not. It really is good soap if anyone wants to look at it.I love that recipe too the bars get nice and hard and sudsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 I've used EZSoy in soap at 15% and didn't notice any decrease in lather. I subbed it for palm, as a test in case I decide to phase out palm oil someday. Now if I had subbed it for coconut, I expect I would have seen a serious decrease in lather!I made a 100% soy wax bar as a test once, and I can tell you that by itself it has no lather whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisajo Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 I like around 15% soy wax. It makes for a super creamy bar of soap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeana Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I don't want to register to see BC's message board, I'm too lazy at the moment. I would really like to see a recipe using soy. Anyone have some sample recipes they would like to share or is everyone just using the BC recipe? I have so many different brands of soy I have bought that I am not going to use for candles. This is a perfect answer of how to use the extra soy up. Is there a difference in using different brands, as long as they are 100%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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