Candlelovr Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I am trying to make a nice rustic and cant seem to do it, although I followed instructions to a T. 1343, 1 oz FO pp, 3 Tbsp steaic, poured at 140 into a room temp alum mold. Tried it twice now and cant seem to get any frost at all. Then I started wondering if my stearic is bad. I got it from Taylored Concepts which is a local supplier to me. A while back, I got some mottling wax from them that didnt mottle at all and a couple of FO's that smelled horrible, so its entirely possible that the stearic is no good also. What do you guys think? Has anyone ordered from TC and been very unimpressed with them? Im just really banging my head against a wall here trying to figure out what the problem is, and this is all I can come up with. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith_D Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I've never heard of bad stearic. I guess anything is possible, but first thing I'd do is contact the supplier. Who knows, maybe it was a mix up and isn't stearic at all. Your formula looks OK, but maybe a tad too cool to pour. Call TC and see what they say. Hope they can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donita Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Yesterday I used some 1343 for the first time. I used a tin 3x6 mold and a 3x6 aluminum mold. Used almost 1 oz FO and 3T stearic did several layers...poured at 155 and got frost in the tin and none in the aluminum. Others on this board love aluminum....I am not a rustic expert but I seem to have the best luck with tin.......I am hoping to get a better look with the aluminum as they are seamless.....I will try again. Donita Louise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katinka Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 At what temp did you pour? I find to get nice frost I have to wait until the wax is so cool it turns milky - works like a charm everytime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trish Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I only use aluminum and never have problems getting rustic layers. However, if I try to do a full 3x6 mold with just one layer, it doesn't give me the effect I want due to the mold getting too hot. Have you tried layers? That might help. :undecided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlelovr Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 I have also heard that tin gives better frost than alum, but ppl on this board using the same wax and alum molds are able to get rustics. Im will try one in a tin mold and see if thats better. Yesterday I used some 1343 for the first time. I used a tin 3x6 mold and a 3x6 aluminum mold. Used almost 1 oz FO and 3T stearic did several layers...poured at 155 and got frost in the tin and none in the aluminum. Others on this board love aluminum....I am not a rustic expert but I seem to have the best luck with tin.......I am hoping to get a better look with the aluminum as they are seamless.....I will try again. Donita Louise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyvega Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Ok, since you and I have been chitchatting back and forth about rustics I'll tell you what I did - since I had to repour those mottles I told you about, I poured one as a solid rustic - I poured between 135-140 - then I wrapped a cool towel around it to try to keep the mold cool - I got a cool rusticy looking effect, but it is smooth and shiny at the same time, I guess from having the cold towel around it - if you want me to post a pic for you, let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlelovr Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 Pic Please!!! :yay: Ok, since you and I have been chitchatting back and forth about rustics I'll tell you what I did - since I had to repour those mottles I told you about, I poured one as a solid rustic - I poured between 135-140 - then I wrapped a cool towel around it to try to keep the mold cool - I got a cool rusticy looking effect, but it is smooth and shiny at the same time, I guess from having the cold towel around it - if you want me to post a pic for you, let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyvega Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I just got back from the gym - give me a little while to get some things done and then I'll get it up here for you - it's still not rustic, but it's interesting, anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyvega Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Ok, here you go - Looks kindof rustic, but like I said, it is smooth and shiny, except for the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Judy, that's a perfect Rustic IMO! Candlelovr, never heard of "bad" stearic.e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyvega Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Judy, that's a perfect Rustic IMO! Candlelovr, never heard of "bad" stearic.eYeah, e, I know it LOOKS rustic, but it's so smooth and shiny, not really "frosty" - hard to explain - definitely no texture to it at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I think the finish is gorgeous! I know what you mean though, typically the Rustic finish is more textured(a/k/a bubbles & pits, LOL). I love all the wispy lines in yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyvega Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I think the finish is gorgeous! I know what you mean though, typically the Rustic finish is more textured(a/k/a bubbles & pits, LOL). I love all the wispy lines in yours.Right, I think it's something to play around with, anyhow, to build up stock w/solid colored candles - takes a lot less time, and mottles are really soooooooooooo time consuming - forgot how long those freaking things take to cool!ets, when I say time consuming, I don't mean to pour, I mean that I wanted to do a second batch of candles today, and here it is six o'clock and these stupid things are not even close to unmolding, and I finished pouring them around seven hours ago. Ugh! No wonder I love rustics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Judy, the first cold pours I made were solid colors. Freezing the mold works well for them. I got great ridges. I did not add stearic, so no frost, just texture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlelovr Posted April 5, 2007 Author Share Posted April 5, 2007 I think the finish is gorgeous! I know what you mean though, typically the Rustic finish is more textured(a/k/a bubbles & pits, LOL). I love all the wispy lines in yours.I agree..that candle looks very nice! I would be happy with that I believe, although I am going for alot of frost at the same time. But it looks very much rustic in the picture. The tin mold didnt work either, got the same results as in the alum molds. If the stearic isnt bad, maybe the mold is just too warm. Next thing to try is cooling the mold in the fridge. I'll work on that tonight and let you know how it turned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith_D Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Ok, here you go - Looks kindof rustic, but like I said, it is smooth and shiny, except for the topI agree with Trish on this. When I only do one color (as opposed to layers) the finish looks rustic but not really textured. I think it's because the mold is hot the whole time after the wax is in it, even if you pour cool. The more wax that is in the mold, the hotter the mold stays. With layers, you only have the layer to warm the mold, as opposed to the whole candle. I hope this makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlelovr Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 Next thing to try is cooling the mold in the fridge. I'll work on that tonight and let you know how it turned out.K, poured at 150 into a frozen mold and still no rustic. Not even any ridges. I got a tiny bit of frost on the top 1 inch of the candle but the rest is smooth an shiny with a lil bit of mottle thoughout. Any other ideas I can try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyvega Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 I think the 150 is too hot for a single pour rustic. It would've heated your mold up too quickly, even if frozen at first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlelovr Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 I think the 150 is too hot for a single pour rustic. It would've heated your mold up too quickly, even if frozen at first.Ok, I'll pour cooler and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkbeet Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 150 I think is too hot with 1343. Plus, I've seen thermometers deviate by 5 or so degrees all too often. Instead of measuring the temperature, I like to wait until the wax just barely skins over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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