DENISE72598 Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 If you have fragrance oil overload in a candle? The reason I ask is....I am pouring up jar candles, using pre-blended paraffin wax and 1oz of FO per pound. I am heating up to 175 and adding FO....all seems well and then after the second pour to top it 48 hours later, it seems that there are little dark spots (water marks) or wet dots on the side of the jar in random places. The wax has separated from the jar so it clanks around , if I tilt the jar one way the dark spot disappears and when I tilt it back the spot is there and is liquid. Is that a fragrance pool ? Or .....help....how can you tell? Does it sink to the bottom if it is overload? How long does it take for the fragrance to separate.....I don't want to sell a dangerous candle.. Any help would be appreciated at this point. Maybe I am being PARANOID!!! Thanks in advance,Denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharyl55 Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Denise, I'm a container newbie myself but it sure doesn't sound good. Not sure what type of preblend you are using. I use J223 and have never had my wax clank around in a container. Sure sounds like FO. Do the wax specs call for a 6% FO load? What FO did you use? Some have to be stirred longer. Not sure I would even do a test burn on it.Maybe someone with some experience will chime in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melly Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Wow, are you sure you used a container wax, container waxes usually stay soft and ahere to the sides of the jar, where as yours seem to have shrunk. Please let us know what wax it is that you are using, it will help us help you. Different waxes can hold differnt amounts of FO. The suppliers site usually gives the the load limits for the wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DENISE72598 Posted September 9, 2005 Author Share Posted September 9, 2005 * Production Pre-Blended Votive/Tart Wax - Hassle Free from Candles & Supplies Description: This blend is designed for candle makers who like the convenience and quality of a pre-blended wax at the sharpest prices possible. It makes a nice solid, creamy color candle, and gives a nice smooth top on your candles after the repour. I've experimented and poured this wax at all different temperatures with all different scents and colors and found it so easy and vitually goof-proof. It burns clean and throws scent well and gives predictible results in any climate or temperature. It's great for beginners too since it's so easy! I highly recommend trying this wax!Type: Paraffin blended with additivesMeltpoint: 133 degreesPrimary Use: Tarts and votivesPackaging: FlakesWick Suggestion: cotton core, zinc core, and Heinz corelessRecommended Pouring Temperature: 180-190 degreesInstructions for Use: Heat wax to 200 degrees. Add scent and color and pour at 180 degrees. This wax will give you a nice smooth finish when you top off the candle with the repour. When I talked to Cindy at C&S she told me she has poured this wax up as low as 165 and has not had problems. The FO's are from Natures Garden....and I love themWhen I look at the bottom of my jar there is no fluid down there at all, it is rock solid!!!I told Cindy that I was making Container candles and she highly recommended this wax....she said it was Goof Proof....my God what does that say about me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fern Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 It says it's a votive/pillar wax...not exactly the type of wax you want to use in containers. I'm surprised that the rep recommended using it for containers. Are you sure she understood that you were making containers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melly Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 This is a votive wax hun, its much to hard to make containers from, Container wax is much much softer and does not rattle at all. You could try calling the rep back and letting them know of thier error, or get yourself some votive molds, remelt that sucker and pour it into the molds. that way nothing is wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizbizzyb Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Denise may have pasted the wrong description...they do have a container candle blend. Hopefully that is what she meant to post.Here is their description of their container blend:BESTSELLER *** Production Single-Pour Container Wax Description: This is our new favorite (and recommended) wax for container candles! It's smooth and creamy, one pour, colors nicely, burns evenly, throws scent well and is priced right. I poured it at all different temperatures and it could not make an ugly candle no matter what I did with it. It is a vegetable/paraffin blend and adheres to the jar very well with little or no wet spots. The best choice for wicks is Heinz CD, zinc core, or paper core.Type: ParaffinMeltpoint: 118 degreesPrimary Use: Container candles in glass jars, crocks, mugs, etc.Packaging: 10-11 lb. slabsWick Suggestion: Heinz coreless, zinc core, or paper coreRecommended Pouring Temperature: 160 degreesInstructions for Use: Heat wax to 180-190 degrees. Add scent and color and cool until 160 degrees before pouring to cause less shrinking in the wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DENISE72598 Posted September 9, 2005 Author Share Posted September 9, 2005 Cindy is the owner of Candles & Supplies It seems that the first ten boxes of candles that I already made (yeah!!) were fine and as soon as I started using Nature Gardens FO....wierd things started happening. I AM SO UPSET RIGHT NOW....TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS ON THE WEBSITE Votive/Tart waxes are generally softer and a lower melt point than pillar waxes. Some votive waxes can be used for container candles too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolas Lights Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 If the wax is getting hard enough to move in the jar, I'd say it isn't container wax. I know I haven't been in this long but all the container waxes I use are soft and creamy even after it is poured in jars. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DENISE72598 Posted September 9, 2005 Author Share Posted September 9, 2005 No...unfortunately I posted the right description. I told her that I liked a solid container candle and I didn't mind the re-pour. The only reason I started using this is because their other "hassle free" container wax was discontinued. The rattling doesn't bother me....it's not like it clanks around in the jar....you have to really shake it to get it to make a noise. It's the dark spots....What would I do without you guys.....(thank you all so much for listening & helping) And....to boot...the scent throw is AWESOME on this wax hot and cold. And....I had to up the wicks (using zinc core) and the candle burns completely to the perimeter. The burn on these is fantastic....still worrying about the wet spots..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Denise, this wax is an unconventional choice for a container candle, but there's no reason not to use it if you like it and are getting a good burn and melt pool. There are too many J-223 candles anyway. However, you have to choose to live with its tendency to create wet spots right off the bat.What you want to do to tweak this particular candle is simply figure out how low a temp you can pour at. The lower the temp, the less shrinkage and the better it will adhere. It could be helpful if you have a heat gun. I'd say carefully heat the container until it's hot to the touch (not burning hot, but hot, and try not to melt the coating on the wick), then pour at 160 and see how that works out.With this strategy I'd still heat the wax higher to add FO then stir till it cools down to pour temp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DENISE72598 Posted September 9, 2005 Author Share Posted September 9, 2005 Top, I sent ya a pm.....-Denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debscent Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 I use both of those waxes,(Hi Denise). Some waxes are ideal for crocks, not containers, and I think this may be one of those cases. I love this votive/tart wax, it is awesome for pillars (if you prefer pillars that melt all the way down, not bulging, or blow outs). You can't do mottles, etc., with it but you can get one nice creamy, pillar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DENISE72598 Posted September 9, 2005 Author Share Posted September 9, 2005 Hi Deb, Unfortunately I don't do pillars....I haven't even tried one. They are so beautiful....but I'm thinking that they take much more patience than I have at this point.... I'm a "jar" kinda girl...HEE,HEE!!! Thanks for the response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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