silkysoycreations Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Is the only difference between these two 100% soy waxes the melt points (402 being lower and 415 being higher)? Anyone been successful using either one of these waxes and have a preference between the two? Kind of wicks you like with either one of these? TIA . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geekrunner Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Funny you should ask! The 402 is probably more like the 464 than 415. 415 is definitely a higher MP and harder wax.I have been mixing the two in various percentages with USA to get a blend that I can pour hot, and hopefully avoid any pitfalls that come with variations between batches. I can't tell you my specific blend, 'cause then I'd have to send my hit squad out and have you sleeping with the fishes but if play around with a 402/415 blend that is mostly 415 and has a little USA you'll have a pretty decent wax that you can pour as hot as 150, and only need to zap with a heat gun to smooth out the top.I must be off! geek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkysoycreations Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 Thank you Geek. I'm a C3 user currently but about to run out of my supply and thought I might sample another wax. I friend recommended 402 & has had much success and didn't know if 415 was a replacement for 402 or something. Very interesting about the mix of the two. So if there is more 415 I would venture to say 60/40 or 70/30 blend?? Am I close? LOL. Can you at least tell me what kind of wick you like to use with it? What is US?? I'm a newbie so sorry for all the questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Bug Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Hi Geek. I've been mixing the KY115 (not sure who makes it but it is supposed to be a lower melt soy) and a hard to melt batch of 415. Trouble is, I don't think the throw is as good. Think it is my nose or does this happen with your blend too? I might not be letting it cure long enough, but 48 hrs. seems like it should do it. When the 415 works, it seems to give off the best throw of any of my test waxes. Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaybee23 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I love the 415 wax...better than any of the new ones from GB I have tried. A little beeswax and I am good to go. But am always on the lookout for something better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkysoycreations Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 I love the 415 wax...better than any of the new ones from GB I have tried. A little beeswax and I am good to go. But am always on the lookout for something better.What supplier do you get your 415 from? I'm in N. Dallas, btw. What series of wick do you like in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaybee23 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I am getting mine right now in the form of EZSoy from Bittercreek South, and my wick of choice is HTP. KY Puresoy is just as good, but the shipping on the EZSoy is less. I wish we had a local DFW supplier for 415, I'd be a happy camper. So many suppliers locally and not one carries 415....there ought to be a law against that, LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkysoycreations Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 Ah ok...didn't see a vendor local for 415, bummer.I guess i'm a little confused...when you say you're getting yours in the form of ezsoy are you saying ezsoy and 415 are the same thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowded House Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Candle Soylutions has 100% soy flake, but I dunno if it's Golden Brands or not.They're up the road from you near Muskogee, OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkysoycreations Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 I didn't even think about looking north of me, thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaybee23 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Candle Soylutions sells Enchanted Lites soy, which is not 415. Yes, EZsoy is 415 soy. I played around with several waxes before settling on one. I always encourage someone to buy 2 or 3 different kinds of waxes to try on before deciding. What works for one person doesn't always work for someone else. Good luck on your wax testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silkysoycreations Posted July 24, 2006 Author Share Posted July 24, 2006 Ok, maybe that's why when I google 415 I don't come up with much...i'll try ezsoy then. Other waxes with different names but same soy wax? Yes, plan on try a few out before deciding...I see why it takes so long to figure it all out now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geekrunner Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Hi Geek. I've been mixing the KY115 (not sure who makes it but it is supposed to be a lower melt soy) and a hard to melt batch of 415. Trouble is, I don't think the throw is as good. Think it is my nose or does this happen with your blend too? I might not be letting it cure long enough, but 48 hrs. seems like it should do it. When the 415 works, it seems to give off the best throw of any of my test waxes. BethI do get very good results from 415 and BW but I hate waiting to pour, and I can't pour it hot without getting air pockets. I'm testing six fall holiday FOs with the new blend and then will compare to 415/BW. What I like with the blend is that the 402 softens up the 415 enough to allow me to single wick the 3 1/2" keepsake jar, where I have to double wick the 415/BW.geek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geekrunner Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Thank you Geek. I'm a C3 user currently but about to run out of my supply and thought I might sample another wax. I friend recommended 402 & has had much success and didn't know if 415 was a replacement for 402 or something. Very interesting about the mix of the two. So if there is more 415 I would venture to say 60/40 or 70/30 blend?? Am I close? LOL. Can you at least tell me what kind of wick you like to use with it? What is US?? I'm a newbie so sorry for all the questions.You are close with the 60/40 but you have to include the USA (universal soy additive) too. I'm currently testing Premier 700 and CDs. The HTPs mushroom too badly and are making the wax smell like burned wick.Don't worry about being a noob, we were all noobs at one time. geek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candledog Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 If you're a c3 user currently, you could mix a percentage of that with the 415, smooths out them tops so you can pour hot and shortens cure time, best of both, great throw too, just a thought, have tested it and it works for me pretty good, pour above 150 and it's nice and smooth, only a few shots from the heat gun needed, (about 1/ 10 candles) and even then it's not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candledog Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I might be doing something wrong, but my bw/415 testing went like crap. The tops looked bad even after cooling and looked like a mottled brain after burning, i also didn't notice it helping throw or much of anything, (and I REALLY wanted it to, as I have tons of bw)... I tried pouring cold/hot, etc.... just didn't work for me, hope if you test geek you get better results, I will leave the bw work to the pros! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I might be doing something wrong, but my bw/415 testing went like crap. The tops looked bad even after cooling and looked like a mottled brain after burning, i also didn't notice it helping throw or much of anything, (and I REALLY wanted it to, as I have tons of bw)... I tried pouring cold/hot, etc.... just didn't work for me, hope if you test geek you get better results, I will leave the bw work to the pros!I kind of have the same problem. When I first pour, I get fairly smooth tops, but after each of the first 3 burns, I get really bad cauliflower tops. If I can get the wicks to last through those burns, the tops will be smooth with the rest of the burns. I'm wondering if I should try more BW, but I'm already using 4%. I've also considered using parrafin, do you think I could get buy with as little as 10%? Also, does parrafin or anything else out there soften soy wax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geekrunner Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I kind of have the same problem. When I first pour, I get fairly smooth tops, but after each of the first 3 burns, I get really bad cauliflower tops. If I can get the wicks to last through those burns, the tops will be smooth with the rest of the burns. I'm wondering if I should try more BW, but I'm already using 4%. I've also considered using parrafin, do you think I could get buy with as little as 10%? Also, does parrafin or anything else out there soften soy wax?I don't think you can really control how the tops look after burning unless you use paraffin in place of any other additive. If you want to use just enough to smooth out the tops and pour hot, 20% paraffin works. Typically 30% is the most used percentage. Also BW and paraffin don't play well together. Paraffin doesn't necessarily soften the wax but it does in practice allow you to use smaller wicking than straight soy. geek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 On the bw, you may be using too much. I use 2% and know some say they don't go over 3%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavender Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 I get my GF 415 from Southern Sensations in Flat Rock, MI. I use eco wicks from Bittercreek North for all my container candles.Blessings, Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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