topofmurrayhill Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I'm comparing some popular container blends side by side and wondering if the labeling on my J-50 and J-300 samples might be reversed (or maybe I'm just having a problem with a dirty container). The wax labeled J-50 seems to have really poor glass adhesion while the one labeled J-300 is adhering great. I thought it was supposed to be the other way around.Maybe someone familiar with the waxes can tell me which of these is which:BLEND 1 - Exceptionally milky opaque and off-white. Slab has a stiff consistency when squeezed, but collapses into greasy flakes with enough pressure.BLEND 2 - Not quite as opaque and considerably truer white in color. Slab has a more taffy consistency and easily squishes when squeezed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tess Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Blend 2 sounds like the J-50. The "adhesion" is good compared to some other container waxes, but it is not great. Wet Spots are very common among J-50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenda (OH) Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 J300 once completely cooled will pull away from the sidewalls of the container. And fits the description of Blend 1 above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystical_angel1219 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Blend 2 is J-50, I'd place a bet on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I would bet Blend 2 is J50,I have never used J300. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 Interestingly it's blend 1 that sticks tight, even in the fridge. The other, which several people have identified as J-50, is the worst I've seen as far as glass adhesion goes. Lot variations I guess. I thought J-300 was supposed to a release wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tess Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Interestingly it's blend 1 that sticks tight, even in the fridge. The other, which several people have identified as J-50, is the worst I've seen as far as glass adhesion goes. Lot variations I guess. I thought J-300 was supposed to a release wax.J-50 is about the same as J223 when it comes to adhesion. For some reason the climate has alot to do with it. Humidity really enhances my wet spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystical_angel1219 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 J-50 must be poured into a squeaky clean container and when it cools it must cool in a WARM environment. I mean toasty warm. I have done production candles with this wax, well over 10,000 jars last fall. If the temps aren't just right the glass adhesion is crapola. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connie Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I have used both and their is a color differance in the wax. J300 is off white as compared to the J223. I can notice the differance in the box. At least the wax I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesweet Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Blend 1: J300Blend 2: J50My last several cases of J300 haven't performed up to par...instead of pulling away, there have been major wet spots and numerous other problems. I've tried 2 different suppliers so they definitely screwed it up before deciding to discontinue it. It is a more opaque wax. You can also tell by the smell of hot J300...definite soy smell so that might be a clue for you, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted March 2, 2006 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 Blend 1: J300Blend 2: J50My last several cases of J300 haven't performed up to par...instead of pulling away, there have been major wet spots and numerous other problems. I've tried 2 different suppliers so they definitely screwed it up before deciding to discontinue it. It is a more opaque wax. You can also tell by the smell of hot J300...definite soy smell so that might be a clue for you, too.Thanks. I'm sure which is which at this point, but I do seem to have a screwy sample of J50. I've been hearing complaints about quality control problems with that one.The J300 pours nice and flat. It adheres well to the glass or, on some pours, may develop a few wet spots. Definitely doesn't release. Could be due to pouring it into a much smaller container than normal.The J50 just doesn't stick and I'm not even talking about wet spots. If I baby it and cool as slow as humanly possible, it just might not spontaneously unstick. Without major babying, or after some time, it can come loose 1/3 of the way around the container. Torture testing it in the fridge with the other waxes is pointless. It will mostly release from the glass. Even J-223 passes that test most of the time.Clearly my sample is not the way it's supposed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenda (OH) Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 My last several cases of J300 haven't performed up to par...instead of pulling away, there have been major wet spots and numerous other problems. I've tried 2 different suppliers so they definitely screwed it up before deciding to discontinue it. It is a more opaque wax. You can also tell by the smell of hot J300...definite soy smell so that might be a clue for you, too.I am finding the same issues with the last few cases of J300 :undecided In addition to the changes you stated I am also finding that it is throwing black soot when burning Edited to add - hot throw has changed too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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