Candle Man Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Are there any pre-made bases our there without sodium laureth sulfate (SLS & SLES) in them. Can bases not be made without these ingredents because that's what makes the product foam? The reason I ask is I find this ingredent to be extremely drying to the skin. I have read info about SLS & SLES and it said that ingredent is used as a floor stripper. If that is the case, don't you think it is to harsh on the skin and just strips your skin of all of its natural oil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinInOR Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 They are not as bad as some sites make them out to be. There *are* more mild surfactants out there however.The brambleberry bases say they don't have that type of ingredient (The Stephensen bases do - so scroll down for the BB bases) http://brambleberry.com/stephenson.htmlDon't remember what the SFIC bases have as ingredients, they stopped listing them on their website. Wanna read about SLS? http://www.ctfa.org.nz/information/sls/cir_report_sls.htmlhttp://www.ctfa.org/Template.cfm?Section=CTFA_News&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=436http://www.pathguy.com/sls.htmhttp://www.cancer.org/docroot/nws/content/nws_2_1x_bubble_bubble_toil_and_trouble.asphttp://www.campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/011201/SLS.htm ( a negative) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamtam Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 As far as I know, the base from SFIC does NOT have those ingredients, thats why I use it. It is a great base, lathers well and my soaps always turn out beautifully. I will post some pics soon of my latest creations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinInOR Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Found an ingredient list for SFICCoconut oil, Palm Oil, Castor Oil, Safflower Oil, Glycerin (of vegetable origin), Shea Butter (refined naturally crushed), Purified Water, Sodium Hydroxide (Saponifying agent), Sorbitol (from berries, moisturizer), Sorbitan Oleate (emulsifier), Soy bean protein (conditioner) Titanium DioxideI believe that's what the Brambleberry base is. Though it's a controversial ingredient list - that's why SFIC pulled it off their site. Many soapers feel it isn't a full list who knows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle Man Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 They are not as bad as some sites make them out to be. There *are* more mild surfactants out there however.The brambleberry bases say they don't have that type of ingredient (The Stephensen bases do - so scroll down for the BB bases) http://brambleberry.com/stephenson.htmlDon't remember what the SFIC bases have as ingredients, they stopped listing them on their website. Wanna read about SLS? http://www.ctfa.org.nz/information/sls/cir_report_sls.htmlhttp://www.ctfa.org/Template.cfm?Section=CTFA_News&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=436http://www.pathguy.com/sls.htmhttp://www.cancer.org/docroot/nws/content/nws_2_1x_bubble_bubble_toil_and_trouble.asphttp://www.campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/011201/SLS.htm ( a negative)Thanks Robin for this info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle Man Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 Are there good recipes out there to make your own products from scratch that don't contain SLS & SLES? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinInOR Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 The book that describes the chemistry behind transparent soap is Catherine Failor's "Making transparent soap" if transparent "glycerin" soap is what you're after. It's basically making cold process soap w/ sodium hydroxide, but taking it further by dissolving it in alcohol/glycerin and a sugar solution to clarify. If you don't want to work with lye, though, you can always buy soap shreds/noodles and rebatch them. Brambleberry http://brambleberry.com/supplies.html has bases like that.Anything else will get complex using surfactants and other chemicals to get more of a pH neutral type of bar, I've never really looked into things like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutlandishLady Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Check out Greenleaf for products that are free of those chems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle Man Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 I am mainly looking for shower gel & liquid hand soap at the moment. Any SLS or SLES free bases or recipes?Will look into making bar soap this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grannyscandles Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I took want to make liquid soap but I need help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novicecrafter Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 http://www.cancer.org/docroot/nws/content/nws_2_1x_bubble_bubble_toil_and_trouble.aspwithout getting too far into my own opinion on using sls and similar chemicals in body care stuff- I would think twice about trusting results of a study done by PLACING UNDILUTED SLS INTO A BUNNY'S EYE. I posted the link above for reference. I am not a activist of any kind but I cant help but shudder at the thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 I bought and used SLS once. I choked using it (with a mask) and DD had a fit in the tub. No more for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 another thing I read about SLS is that they are finding that it contributes to hair loss. I've seen this on a few site but here's a link that talks about it http://www.morroccomethod.com/article7.shtmlFrom things I have read there are about 1800 new chemicals that are introduced each year through various products and most have not been tested for safety and if the companies that put out these chemicals do testing they are not required to report their findings. And since the government has major cut backs most of these chemicals are never tested before they hit the shelves nor will they be and not only is there not enough people to test these things but the government doesn't even have the legal ability through qualified lawyers to fight the high priced ones that these companies have.....No wonder the US has some of the highest cancer rates in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchy31 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Yes, you can make your own using a liquid castile soap base. It is very mild, with no harmful chemicals. I use a liquid soap/shampoo base from www.pvsoap.com. The ingredients are Purified water, potassium hydroxide, glycerine, coconut oil, olive oil, and oleic acid. I use it for shower gel, shampoo, baby wash, etc. Here's another place that has one, although they are ALWAYS out of stock:undecidedhttp://www.newdirectionsaromatics.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_67&products_id=596 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyof1 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Essential Wholesale has both shower gel bases and hand soap bases that are sulfate free. They have some really great products and an amazing variety of different bases. Here is a direct link to the gels. The sulfate free ones are listed in the middle and towards the end. HTHhttp://www.essentialwholesale.com/shop/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=13&cat=Gels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMommy Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 After reading info. concerning it I would just rather not use it either. I thought that it was interesting on the Cosmetic Ingredient Review that it stated ""Although Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is not carcinogenic in experimental animals. It has been shown that it causes severe epidermal changes to the area of the skin of mice to which it was applied. This study indicates a need for tumor-enhancing activity assays." Conclusion - "Sodium Lauryl Sulfate and Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate appear to be safe in formulations designed for discontinuous, brief use followed by thorough rinsing from the surface of the skin. In products intended for prolonged contact with skin, concentrations should not exceed 1 percent."There are many products for bath use(soaks) that contain those ingredients and most people aren't aware that they should be thoroughly rinsed from the surface of the skin.Novicecrafter,I agree with your statement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momof4kids Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Candleman did you ever find a good base without sles and sls? I'm looking for that type of base also.Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle Man Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 Candleman did you ever find a good base without sles and sls? I'm looking for that type of base also.Thanks!No never did get a chance, yet, to test any.I did find BC's aloe body wash is less drying than others I have tried, even though it does have sls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beau's mama Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Candleman did you ever find a good base without sles and sls? I'm looking for that type of base also.Thanks!I've tested every single base from SFIC & a few from Wisteria Lane (mango, almonds & cream...no sulphates in any of them) on my hubby (the sensitive skin king) and now he won't use ANY soap unless I make it or it's a bar of CP soap from a lady we used to buy from before I started crafting soap.Just my 2 cents...hope it helps!Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momof4kids Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 I think I'm just going to buy liquid castile soap and give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysoaps Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 the shampoo, bubble bath and bath and shower gels i make don't have SLS or SLAS and that's my main selling feature at fairs. I use BSB Surfactant, Amphosol Surfactant and/or Bioterge Surfactant. The suppliers i got my recipes from and took the classes sell all three products as bases. www.voyageur.com is a Canadian company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momof4kids Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Thanks!! I will check them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysoaps Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SassyLady Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 This is the one I have. It's opaque white, not clear, but if feels nice on the skin. I've used it on my 4 year old dd as well, no dry skin probs.It's hard to make out the ingredients, but you can if you try. HTHLisahttp://www.mcsoywax.com/Bath%20&%20Body.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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