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Are there any pre-made bases our there without sodium laureth sulfate (SLS & SLES) in them. Can bases not be made without these ingredents because that's what makes the product foam?

The reason I ask is I find this ingredent to be extremely drying to the skin. I have read info about SLS & SLES and it said that ingredent is used as a floor stripper. If that is the case, don't you think it is to harsh on the skin and just strips your skin of all of its natural oil?

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They are not as bad as some sites make them out to be. There *are* more mild surfactants out there however.

The brambleberry bases say they don't have that type of ingredient (The Stephensen bases do - so scroll down for the BB bases) http://brambleberry.com/stephenson.html

Don't remember what the SFIC bases have as ingredients, they stopped listing them on their website.

Wanna read about SLS? :)

http://www.ctfa.org.nz/information/sls/cir_report_sls.html

http://www.ctfa.org/Template.cfm?Section=CTFA_News&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=436

http://www.pathguy.com/sls.htm

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/nws/content/nws_2_1x_bubble_bubble_toil_and_trouble.asp

http://www.campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/011201/SLS.htm ( a negative)

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Found an ingredient list for SFIC

Coconut oil, Palm Oil, Castor Oil, Safflower Oil, Glycerin (of vegetable origin), Shea Butter (refined naturally crushed), Purified Water, Sodium Hydroxide (Saponifying agent), Sorbitol (from berries, moisturizer), Sorbitan Oleate (emulsifier), Soy bean protein (conditioner) Titanium Dioxide

I believe that's what the Brambleberry base is. Though it's a controversial ingredient list - that's why SFIC pulled it off their site. Many soapers feel it isn't a full list :) who knows...

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They are not as bad as some sites make them out to be. There *are* more mild surfactants out there however.

The brambleberry bases say they don't have that type of ingredient (The Stephensen bases do - so scroll down for the BB bases) http://brambleberry.com/stephenson.html

Don't remember what the SFIC bases have as ingredients, they stopped listing them on their website.

Wanna read about SLS? :)

http://www.ctfa.org.nz/information/sls/cir_report_sls.html

http://www.ctfa.org/Template.cfm?Section=CTFA_News&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=436

http://www.pathguy.com/sls.htm

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/nws/content/nws_2_1x_bubble_bubble_toil_and_trouble.asp

http://www.campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/011201/SLS.htm ( a negative)

Thanks Robin for this info.

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The book that describes the chemistry behind transparent soap is Catherine Failor's "Making transparent soap" if transparent "glycerin" soap is what you're after. It's basically making cold process soap w/ sodium hydroxide, but taking it further by dissolving it in alcohol/glycerin and a sugar solution to clarify.

If you don't want to work with lye, though, you can always buy soap shreds/noodles and rebatch them. Brambleberry http://brambleberry.com/supplies.html has bases like that.

Anything else will get complex using surfactants and other chemicals to get more of a pH neutral type of bar, I've never really looked into things like that.

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http://www.cancer.org/docroot/nws/content/nws_2_1x_bubble_bubble_toil_and_trouble.asp

without getting too far into my own opinion on using sls and similar chemicals in body care stuff- I would think twice about trusting results of a study done by PLACING UNDILUTED SLS INTO A BUNNY'S EYE. I posted the link above for reference. I am not a activist of any kind but I cant help but shudder at the thought.

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another thing I read about SLS is that they are finding that it contributes to hair loss. I've seen this on a few site but here's a link that talks about it http://www.morroccomethod.com/article7.shtml

From things I have read there are about 1800 new chemicals that are introduced each year through various products and most have not been tested for safety and if the companies that put out these chemicals do testing they are not required to report their findings.

And since the government has major cut backs most of these chemicals are never tested before they hit the shelves nor will they be and not only is there not enough people to test these things but the government doesn't even have the legal ability through qualified lawyers to fight the high priced ones that these companies have.....No wonder the US has some of the highest cancer rates in the world.:(

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Yes, you can make your own using a liquid castile soap base. It is very mild, with no harmful chemicals. I use a liquid soap/shampoo base from www.pvsoap.com. The ingredients are Purified water, potassium hydroxide, glycerine, coconut oil, olive oil, and oleic acid. I use it for shower gel, shampoo, baby wash, etc. ;)

Here's another place that has one, although they are ALWAYS out of stock:undecided

http://www.newdirectionsaromatics.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_67&products_id=596

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Essential Wholesale has both shower gel bases and hand soap bases that are sulfate free. They have some really great products and an amazing variety of different bases. Here is a direct link to the gels. The sulfate free ones are listed in the middle and towards the end. HTH

http://www.essentialwholesale.com/shop/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=13&cat=Gels

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After reading info. concerning it I would just rather not use it either.

I thought that it was interesting on the Cosmetic Ingredient Review that it stated ""Although Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is not carcinogenic in experimental animals. It has been shown that it causes severe epidermal changes to the area of the skin of mice to which it was applied. This study indicates a need for tumor-enhancing activity assays." Conclusion - "Sodium Lauryl Sulfate and Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate appear to be safe in formulations designed for discontinuous, brief use followed by thorough rinsing from the surface of the skin. In products intended for prolonged contact with skin, concentrations should not exceed 1 percent."

There are many products for bath use(soaks) that contain those ingredients and most people aren't aware that they should be thoroughly rinsed from the surface of the skin.

Novicecrafter,

I agree with your statement!

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  • 9 months later...
Candleman did you ever find a good base without sles and sls? I'm looking for that type of base also.

Thanks!

I've tested every single base from SFIC & a few from Wisteria Lane (mango, almonds & cream...no sulphates in any of them) on my hubby (the sensitive skin king) and now he won't use ANY soap unless I make it or it's a bar of CP soap from a lady we used to buy from before I started crafting soap.

Just my 2 cents...hope it helps!

Sharon

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the shampoo, bubble bath and bath and shower gels i make don't have SLS or SLAS and that's my main selling feature at fairs. I use BSB Surfactant, Amphosol Surfactant and/or Bioterge Surfactant. The suppliers i got my recipes from and took the classes sell all three products as bases.

www.voyageur.com is a Canadian company.

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