Rob Space Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Lately I've been having some issues with my container candles having all of these spots after they cool. I just recently started having these issues, and never really had them too extreme before in the past couple of years. I'm using 50/50 464 soy and 4627 comfort blend.. same wax and ratio I've been using the entire time. I do everything in my basement, and it is a bit cooler , maybe 68, but I've been doing them here the entire time too, and didn't have issues before. I recently started using a digiboil, one for each wax, and mixing. Not all of my pours have the issues, so I don't think it is necessarily the digiboil, but maybe? I've tried pouring hotter, colder, cleaning the jars with rubbing alcohol, preheating the jars. I had some issues before with certain jars from birch container, so I went back to fillmore container. They usually only have one selection of the 9 oz 70/400 jars available, and I'm wondering of I'm just having issues with those, but not sure why that would be? I usually have to go back after I pour, and use a heat gun on the entire candle to get the spots to go away, sometimes twice. Anyone have any thoughts? I was thinking about just switching to some black containers or something, but those will add a couple more dollars to the final price, and I like keeping these guys somewhat affordable. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi.. you're my only hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythreindeer Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Everything else being equal, perhaps one of the wax manufacturers changed their formula. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Space Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 I tried washing the jars in the dishwasher and didn't have any issues this time! At least not on the 2 batches I made last night. Pretty weird, but I guess it's possible that I just needed to wash the jars. I figured wiping them down with rubbing alcohol would've been fine, but I guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythreindeer Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Rob Space said: I tried washing the jars in the dishwasher and didn't have any issues this time! At least not on the 2 batches I made last night. Pretty weird, but I guess it's possible that I just needed to wash the jars. I figured wiping them down with rubbing alcohol would've been fine, but I guess not. Ahh, the isopropyl alcohol could indeed be the culprit. Although you need to make sure that there is as close to no residual wax as possible in used candle jars if you wash them in the dishwasher as that could lead eventually to expensive plumbing repairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Space Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 The issues were happening before I tried wiping the inside with iso, I just gave that a shot to see if it would help.. it didn't. The jars are brand new though, I don't really reuse jars. The supplier I get them from hasn't had the normal ones I used to use in stock for months, so I've swapped to what they have for the time being. Both are identical 9 oz straight sided 70/400 jars. I guess with the supply issues, they get what they can get? I have the code for the jars I used previously, and the ones they have now. I usually use b09-01c, but now all they have is a09-01c. I'm sure they are all imported from china, so it's strange that the original jars had no issues, and these new ones do. Either way it seems that washing them in the dishwasher first has fixed it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 That is classic soy frosting. Heating the jars to rid the imperfections causes worse frosting as the Re melted wax cools and crystallizes at a different rate than the rest of the candle. frosting can be caused by many, many factors from environmental to process to wax lots to color and similar additives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Space Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 My initial thought was that it was soy frosting too, but heating the jars fixes it after the fact, and now, washing the jars has resolved any problems I was having. Maybe it's just some sort of film left from the manufacturing process? I never had any issues before switching jars, and only switched due to the fact the supplier can't get the originals. Was using the old jars for the past couple years without an issue, same wax and ratio. All of this just started in the past couple months with the new jars, hence the confusion. Wild stuff I tell ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Space Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 It's hard to tell in the pics, but the frosted looking part is where the wax has actually shrunk and pulled away from the side of the glass jar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfroberts Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 It's frosting. I get it from time to time. Could just be due to normal wax inconsistencies. Increase the 4627 a bit and it will disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnann81 Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Just curious is the frosting there before you use the heat gun? Ive made candles that had no frosting then after hitting them with the heat gun to smooth out the tops, frosting formed when it dried the second time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightLight Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 I do wash wash glasses in dishwasher, and it I want super sparkling you add some TSP powder as well, that gets rid of any residue. You can use plain in dishwasher as well. They use to put in cleaning formulas but because it has phosphate in it manufacturers took it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Space Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, Lynnann81 said: Just curious is the frosting there before you use the heat gun? I've made candles that had no frosting then after hitting them with the heat gun to smooth out the tops, frosting formed when it dried the second time. It is there before I use a heat gun. It shows up about 4-6 hours after pouring, and it just started with the new jars a couple months ago. Somehow, running the new jars through the dishwasher before I use them has seemed to fix the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Space Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 9 hours ago, TallTayl said: That is classic soy frosting. Heating the jars to rid the imperfections causes worse frosting as the Re melted wax cools and crystallizes at a different rate than the rest of the candle. frosting can be caused by many, many factors from environmental to process to wax lots to color and similar additives. I'm pretty sure it was just an issue with the jars and some sort of residue from the manufacturing process. The issues started a couple months ago when I had to order jars, but the supplier only had one kind in stock. Identical styles, just a new company. Never had 1 issue before with the jars I used. Immediately had issues with the new ones though. The spots show up about 4-6 hours after initial pour, and heating with a heat gun gets them to go away, usually the first time. I started running the new jars through the dishwasher last week, and I haven't had any issues since though. Strange stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen Ov Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Try wrapping them with something, i have used felt but seen it done with tinfoil. I also used to put a box over them while cooling. It helped a lot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightLight Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Also if you raise percentage of 4627 you will not have issue, dirty or clean glassware. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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