NJ1228G Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Hi all. I have been testing a coconut wax blend for 0.5 oz melts. I understand this is a softer wax but the application in a condiment cup has worked very well. The problem I am having is throw. CT and HT are phenomenal but only lasts for about 8 hrs. It’s not a very long scent life. Large melt companies last for days! Is this normal? Could it be the fragrance oil or is it an issue with the wax? I’m trying to develop a more luxurious line of melts and really like how the coconut wax is working but how can I market them as luxury without a scent life that lasts for longer than 8 hrs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah S Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 In my experience, the softer waxes do not have longevity with their throw. A soft wax may have great initial HT as the melt pool will reach a high temperature quickly, but as you have noticed the throw diminishes significantly over the course of several hours. Are you using a coconut blend? I don't think that coconut wax is a great stand alone wax anyway, for any application. If you are ok with parrafin, I would suggest adding 40-50% hard paraffin wax, or switching to parrafin entirely. There is a reason why the big manufacturers use parrafin, it makes a fantastic tart! Also consider the size of the tart, .5oz is not a lot of wax. The fragrance may truly be spent in that tiny amount of wax after 8 hours, depending on the strength and quality of your fragrance oil. If you are married to the "all natural" concept, try blending palm wax with the coconut, 50/50, or try palm/coconut/soy at 50/30/20. Finally, what makes your tarts "luxury"? Are you going for visual impact? Unique fragrance? Price? Novel packaging? Marketing something as luxury has many different factors, performance being only part of it. It is very likely that you may need to be flexible with your waxes to create your product line, so don't be afraid to experiment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ1228G Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 Hi Sarah, Thanks for the quick response! I’m using a coconut/apricot blend. I liked the all natural concept and all the great things I’ve heard about coconut wax. I’ve read that coconut waxes are more luxurious which made me try working with it. It’s a nice wax, but most important to me is quality. I’m not so worried about price, but rather trying to find a niche segment without using colorants and keeping it as natural as possible. I may need to go back to the drawing board. I suppose a luxury brand has other factors to it other than just what is considered to be “luxury” wax. Perhaps I bring more of a luxury feel in with my packaging. I am by no means trying to charge a “luxury” price, I just want my customers to feel like they are getting a quality product that evokes happiness. I’ve researched a ton so this is only the first time actually starting to make products and test. I read a lot about a para-soy blend that had stellar reviews that I am eager to try! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belinda Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 I've never used coconut wax but have heard good things about it. I have used several different paraffins and para/soy blends they have all had good throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelyscents Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Which oil were you using and wattage on your warmer? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EAM Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 On 3/25/2020 at 5:38 PM, Sarah S said: In my experience, the softer waxes do not have longevity with their throw. A soft wax may have great initial HT as the melt pool will reach a high temperature quickly, but as you have noticed the throw diminishes significantly over the course of several hours. Are you using a coconut blend? I don't think that coconut wax is a great stand alone wax anyway, for any application. If you are ok with parrafin, I would suggest adding 40-50% hard paraffin wax, or switching to parrafin entirely. There is a reason why the big manufacturers use parrafin, it makes a fantastic tart! Also consider the size of the tart, .5oz is not a lot of wax. The fragrance may truly be spent in that tiny amount of wax after 8 hours, depending on the strength and quality of your fragrance oil. If you are married to the "all natural" concept, try blending palm wax with the coconut, 50/50, or try palm/coconut/soy at 50/30/20. Finally, what makes your tarts "luxury"? Are you going for visual impact? Unique fragrance? Price? Novel packaging? Marketing something as luxury has many different factors, performance being only part of it. It is very likely that you may need to be flexible with your waxes to create your product line, so don't be afraid to experiment. I am butting in but same question. I have been testing 4625/ coconut. It either has an awesome throw for 6-8 hours or its a complete dud( based on the oil I am sure) If you were to make a " perfect blend of waxes" what would you suggest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisS Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Something additional to note is that most of the coconut waxes do have a smidge of paraffin in them. Otherwise, they'll be melty around body temperature. I've played with coconut in conjunction with brittle soy pillar wax, beeswax, and with palm. I like palm from a performance/throw standpoint...but it tends to leave an air pocket mid melt. there's not enough profit margin to heatgun it and do a repour on melts. Beeswax is expensive. Soy pillar is inconsistent. Blarg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisa11 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I have been using Coconut Apricot Wax and added 10% 130MP Paraffin wax at 8% FO just to try some melts. I might kick it up a notch on the paraffin 5% at a time to see where that gets me. I like the idea of melts in shapes over the clam shells. I think the 10% paraffin with that wax would be fine in clam shells. I will test the throw when I put it on the burner in a couple days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovejoy444 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) I am almost two years late to this party, but for anyone checking this thread from here on out, I wanted to second what lovelyscents said. Higher wattage warmers will blow through the FO faster than a lower watt warmer. My tabletop warmer that uses a round 20w bulb kills wax melts much quicker than the plug-in warmer I used to have that used a small 15w bulb. There are a million other things that affect scent, too, but consumers' individual wax warmers can have a big impact on the performance of otherwise identical melts, which may be a good reason to test your melts in both higher and lower wattage warmers. You can then offer up a range (e.g. 8-20 hrs) for the life span of the melt instead of a flat number, as well as educate consumers on the science of wax melt life span--and that poor performance isn't necessarily the fault of the creator! LOL Edited March 7, 2022 by Lovejoy444 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilFirecracker Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 On 3/6/2022 at 9:10 PM, Lovejoy444 said: I am almost two years late to this party, but for anyone checking this thread from here on out, I wanted to second what lovelyscents said. Higher wattage warmers will blow through the FO faster than a lower watt warmer. My tabletop warmer that uses a round 20w bulb kills wax melts much quicker than the plug-in warmer I used to have that used a small 15w bulb. There are a million other things that affect scent, too, but consumers' individual wax warmers can have a big impact on the performance of otherwise identical melts, which may be a good reason to test your melts in both higher and lower wattage warmers. You can then offer up a range (e.g. 8-20 hrs) for the life span of the melt instead of a flat number, as well as educate consumers on the science of wax melt life span--and that poor performance isn't necessarily the fault of the creator! LOL So true!! I'm trying to figure out right now how to word this in my Etsy store listings when I open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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