pughaus Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, bfroberts said: I don't really understand the purpose of this video. All this testing, and at the end he considers that a "successful system"??? What am I missing? I don't get it. I've got a shelf full of failures that are better than that. It's strictly a safety test with clear parameters re: what constitutes a pass/fail based on specific measurements. A pass in safety testing doesn't mean the candle is ideal in other ways. At best, this ruled out 5 wicks as unsafe in this system but it certainly doesn't mean the eco 10 is ideal, only that is is "safe" per the testing standards. I suspect he chose to test these wicks knowing they would be less than ideal just so he could demonstrate the various ways a candle can fail the test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfroberts Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, pughaus said: It's strictly a safety test with clear parameters re: what constitutes a pass/fail based on specific measurements. A pass in safety testing doesn't mean the candle is ideal in other ways. At best, this ruled out 5 wicks as unsafe in this system but it certainly doesn't mean the eco 10 is ideal, only that is is "safe" per the testing standards. I suspect he chose to test these wicks knowing they would be less than ideal just so he could demonstrate the various ways a candle can fail the test. Gotcha. I can get behind it from a safety standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 12 hours ago, Sebleo said: I’m not so sure he’s a fan of candles at all! I know, I agree. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 12 hours ago, Sebleo said: One still has a carbon ball, but now is not giving me a full melt pool. What does that mean? Wrong wick type altogether? I’m going to give it another go tmw and see if it catches up but it’s not looking good. There's so many variables involved but yes, you could be using the wrong wick type for that wax. Try a different type of wick and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 3 hours ago, bfroberts said: I don't really understand the purpose of this video. All this testing, and at the end he considers that a "successful system"??? What am I missing? I don't get it. I've got a shelf full of failures that are better than that. Amen sister. We have much higher standards apparently. I’d be happy to do burn testing for people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 5 hours ago, CandleRush said: Laura I thought your comments were straightforward and professional, I did not think they were offensive at all. I wondered about the soot as well. But the comment he gave about burning candles where we breath and that the wax is refined in the same barrel as diesel fuel, candle wax is the throw away from diesel fuel....... off to to make some candles today!🌸 Thanks @CandleRush 👍 Well, it's obvious I was talking to deaf ears and that he has no interest in how a candle looks, only the safety and sci-ency stuff. LOL. As far as his paraffin rant goes and being a "scientist" which he keeps mentioning, he should know that there is plenty of scientific evidence that claims paraffin candles made with food grade paraffin are safe. They use that stuff on produce and other things. Anyway, have fun making your candles. 🕯️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 3 hours ago, pughaus said: It's strictly a safety test with clear parameters re: what constitutes a pass/fail based on specific measurements. A pass in safety testing doesn't mean the candle is ideal in other ways. At best, this ruled out 5 wicks as unsafe in this system but it certainly doesn't mean the eco 10 is ideal, only that is is "safe" per the testing standards. I suspect he chose to test these wicks knowing they would be less than ideal just so he could demonstrate the various ways a candle can fail the test. Yes, exactly, well said. He did say he didn't make the candles and he listed a link to the person that did. I mean they were "test" candles so you'd think that person made some that would fail. And I just want to add to what you said. In addition to knowing how to test for a safe candle, per what he said, your candles should also pass the safety tests performed by big box stores or wholesalers, if that's something you are also interested in. I greatly appreciate his information and see how it will fit into my updated wick testing procedure. But unlike him, I'll also be testing for appearance. safety + great performance + nice appearance = Winner 🏆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 3 hours ago, bfroberts said: I don't really understand the purpose of this video. All this testing, and at the end he considers that a "successful system"??? What am I missing? I don't get it. I've got a shelf full of failures that are better than that. And I'll add to what @pughaus said. In addition to knowing how to test for a safe candle, per what he said, your candles should also pass the safety tests performed by big box stores or wholesalers, if that's something you are also interested in. I greatly appreciate his information and see how it will fit into my updated wick testing procedure. But unlike him, I'll also be testing for appearance. He doesn't care about appearance, LOL. safety + great performance + nice appearance = Winner 🏆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleRush Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I liked the safety reinforcement is what we all need as reminders to make safer candles. After the video we all still had questions and that’s where we come in and apply what we know. If we are questioning some of his testing that is a good thing, as TT said, high standards! And that makes for a safer candle. Thanks to craftserver🌸 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Since this is a very important aspect of our craft, just wanted to add another source and additional information to this Candle Safety discussion for anyone interested. Many of you will know this stuff already but for those that don't, happy reading. http://candles.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Candle-Elements-Safety-Infographic.pdf https://candles.org/fire-safety-candles/ https://candles.org/fire-safety-candles/read-the-label/ https://candles.org/tips-from-the-experts/ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 While you’re at it, query ASTM both here and google. For google, ASTM candle safety and ASTM standards are a good starting point. A decent presentation captured for posterity can be found in this CraftServer thread.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, TallTayl said: While you’re at it, query ASTM both here and google. For google, ASTM candle safety and ASTM standards are a good starting point. Good idea. Here's more links. https://www.astm.org/standardization-news/?q=features/increasing-candle-safety-ma13.html https://www.astm.org/Standards/F2417.htm https://www.astm.org/Standards/F2601.htm https://www.astm.org/SNEWS/MARCH_2003/becker_mar03.html https://www.cpsc.gov/Regulations-Laws--Standards/Voluntary-Standards/Topics/Candles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary in Canada Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 On 7/18/2019 at 10:53 AM, TallTayl said: Finally! Someone not concerned with FMP on early burns. I know you have been preaching about FMP for quite a while TallTayl...Since I started wicking down like you suggested, and don't worry about a FMP on the 1st and second burn, I have had some success. I for one appreciate the knowledge you provide! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 On 7/25/2019 at 11:37 AM, TallTayl said: While you’re at it, query ASTM both here and google. For google, ASTM candle safety and ASTM standards are a good starting point. More links to ASTM info found here on Craft Server in other posts. https://www.craftserver.com/topic/105203-full-melt-pool/?tab=comments#comment-986172 http://bittercreekcandle.blogspot.com/2013/12/test-burning-jar-candles.html https://www.craftserver.com/topic/109476-finding-safe-containers/?tab=comments#comment-1027237 https://www.craftserver.com/topic/107342-hot-throw-and-container-size/page/3/?tab=comments#comment-1006179 https://www.craftserver.com/topic/108672-how-hot-is-too-hot-container/?tab=comments#comment-1018809 https://www.craftserver.com/topic/113282-candle-burning/?tab=comments#comment-1071944 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Oh, and I found this "Candle Fire Safety" video from National Candle Association. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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