Laura C Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 For those that are interested in concentrated fragrance oils for candle making. Here's links to websites that say their scents are concentrated or non-diluted, so they say. Some links go to pages that describe their FOs and some links go to a FO page that mentions that it is concentrated somewhere on the page. I have not bought from all of these places, only the first six suppliers and I like their FOs and find them to be strong using them between 8-10%. I could probably go lower on the percentages but I've not done any tests yet and I do like strong smelling products. https://thecandlemakersstore.com/a-grade-vs-b-grade-fragrances https://www.bulkapothecary.com/product/raw-ingredients/fragrance-flavor/fragrances/bay-rum-fragrance-oil/ https://www.naturesgardencandles.com/fragrance-oils https://www.wellingtonfragrance.com/Fragrance-Oils-C34.aspx https://www.theflamingcandle.com/fragrance-oil/ https://www.candlescience.com/fragrance-oil https://www.naturesfragrance.com/aladdins-wish-fragrance-oil/ http://www.scentoils.com/Scented_Oils_2.html https://afi-usa.com/faq/ http://www.cajuncandles.com/fragrance-oils.html https://www.lonestarcandlesupply.com/fragrance-oils.html https://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com/fragrance-oils.aspx https://www.justscent.com/fragrance-oil-notes.html https://www.cierracandles.com/fragrance-oils.html https://www.gemlite.com/page/az http://www.saveonscents.com/importantfragranceinfo.php http://store.southwestcandlesupply.com/fragrance-oils.html http://www.wicks-wax-scents.com/scentlist.html http://www.greatcandle.com/ https://www.northstar3c.com/shop/Category/Fragrance-Oils 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleRush Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Wow Laura! I appreciate your list and for posting it for all of us. Thanks🌸 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share Posted May 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, CandleRush said: Wow Laura! I appreciate your list and for posting it for all of us. Thanks🌸 You're welcome. ☺️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowButterfly Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Laura, you warm my heart. Thanks so much! 😍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share Posted May 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, YellowButterfly said: Laura, you warm my heart. Thanks so much! 😍 Glad to hear it and you're welcome. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Roads Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) Yes thanks! After reading the following post, my greatest concern has been finding suppliers that do NOT. I'm not sure I can tell when using the products, not enough experience yet. kandlekrazy Supa Star Registered Users Plus 1,436 4,439 posts LocationCentral Coast, CA Report post Posted May 17 Some of suppliers we buy from do cut the oils and some do not. Edited June 1, 2019 by Dirt Roads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 I think we need to look at this from the other side of the coin. I doubt most retailers “cut” the fragrance, versus buy a less concentrated blend from the lab. Labs can mix FO to meet cost (and other) needs of the buyer. Minor technicality, but the way the industry seems to work. Imagine from the reseller’s side for a second, they would need to accurately mix in their carrier oil in either each bottle poured or mix one giant keg into another larger keg, blend perfectly and dispense. That takes time, money and has imminent risk. Aromahaven had a video up at one point showing how their workers dispense from the big metal kegs into pouring pitchers, then from pitchers into the 4 or so size bottles they sell. I can’t imagine they have the workers “cut” the FO since every worker would likely do it slightly different. 🤷🏻♀️ 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 At least it's not like all suppliers are trying to be deceptive or something, some suppliers are up front about it and say that they have different grades or concentrations of FOs. From the way I understand it, some people or B&B makers need less concentrated fragrances for whatever reasons, skin contact or etc. Certainly something to be aware of and decide what works for you. 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Roads Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Could you say skin safe fragrances are not usually as strong as candle only fragrances? I noticed in one of the manufacturer's listings, they will have different versions for candles only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awnl Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Thanks Laura for sharing the links. Appreciate you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Dirt Roads said: Could you say skin safe fragrances are not usually as strong as candle only fragrances? I noticed in one of the manufacturer's listings, they will have different versions for candles only. Sorry, I don't know much about it because I don't make any bath and body products for the skin. I just know I've seen separate fragrance lists for candle use and for B&B use. Some fragrances are safe for using on the skin and some are not but I don't know if that necessarily means one type is stronger smelling than the other type. I'm sure there is lots of info on here under B&B that you could look at to find out more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Dirt Roads said: Could you say skin safe fragrances are not usually as strong as candle only fragrances? I noticed in one of the manufacturer's listings, they will have different versions for candles only. Not at all. Some aroma chemicals are not skin safe and may appear in fragrances blended for candles only. Some are not suitable at levels typically used in skin care products. For instance, take Eugenol, a component of clove-and clove like scents. It has a very very low usage rate for skin use, but can be used at 100% in non skin contact products like candles. In air freshener, melts and candles it will singe your nose hairs. Here’s an example: https://www.naturesgardencandles.com/clove-fragrance-oil It is only usable up to 0.6% for wash off products. (Zero point 6% or 0.0006) So in a 1 lb batch of soap that would amount to 0.096 oz of FO. I know of many people who don’t “do math” who just assume it is 6% and would add the usual ounce per lb. ouch! its not the worst idea to only buy fragrance that has a current IFRA certificate. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightLight Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Thanks for posting. I have found new fragrance oil suppliers through this forum but have hesitated to purchase items from them. i just purchased through a sale only to find the shipping was exorbitant. Other websites had such horrible reviews it made me hesitant about customer service. Yes if you want to do candles and bath and body you would want the irfa and vanillin content. Though I pay attention to vanillin content in candles because once fo is heated it will discolor, and it will discolor over time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Vanillin is also one of those components in candles that messes with your wick! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 4 hours ago, TallTayl said: It is only usable up to 0.6% for wash off products. (Zero point 6% or 0.0006) So in a 1 lb batch of soap that would amount to 0.096 oz of FO. I know of many people who don’t “do math” who just assume it is 6% and would add the usual ounce per lb. ouch! LOL, that makes me think of some of the videos I've seen online where the person making candles, soap, whatever doesn't weigh or at least measure their ingredients and just throws stuff in their pot. 😲 IDK, everybody is free to do what they want and maybe even with enough experience you can just eyeball stuff and get it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura C Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, TallTayl said: For instance, take Eugenol, a component of clove-and clove like scents. It has a very very low usage rate for skin use, but can be used at 100% in non skin contact products like candles. In air freshener, melts and candles it will singe your nose hairs. Here’s an example: https://www.naturesgardencandles.com/clove-fragrance-oil Thanks for pointing that out TallTayl. 👍 Thumbs up to Natures Garden, they do a great job of presenting all that information. I really appreciate it when suppliers/MFGs put a lot of info on their sites and show that they realize that it's very helpful and time saving for us, their busy customers. Edited June 1, 2019 by Laura C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Roads Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) Trying to absorb everything I can about FO suppliers. But something like this from Bulk Apothecary's website, makes me question. "Many people ask us what makes our oils so much different from the competition. The little known secret is that many large suppliers of fragrances dilute their oils with cheaper carriers to increase their profit margin." What I hear the most from potential customers is they want a "strong" scent. Biggest complaint is a candle that "didn't smell". Still trying to figure all of this out. Edited June 1, 2019 by Dirt Roads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfroberts Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Dirt Roads said: Trying to absorb everything I can about FO suppliers. But something like this from Bulk Apothecary's website, makes me question. "Many people ask us what makes our oils so much different from the competition. The little known secret is that many large suppliers of fragrances dilute their oils with cheaper carriers to increase their profit margin." What I hear the most from potential customers is they want a "strong" scent. Biggest complaint is a candle that "didn't smell". Still trying to figure all of this out. I don't find their oils to be "much different" than the competition. I've had duds from BA. Pricey ones, too. All the reputable FO suppliers have "concentrated" oils. Plenty of recommendations right here at CS. I don't put a lot of stock in website reviews. Too many of those are based on a sniff out of the bottle or a different application than mine or just personal preferences, so I don't know that they are particularly helpful or reliable. I trust what I read here at CS lot more. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightLight Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 CS are pretty darn good about having strong oils. Other place hit or miss. Bought an expensive cardamom oil from WHolesalesupplies and it was very diluted. Not good for candles. Wouldn’t use for bath and body either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah S Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 6/1/2019 at 5:12 PM, Dirt Roads said: Trying to absorb everything I can about FO suppliers. But something like this from Bulk Apothecary's website, makes me question. "Many people ask us what makes our oils so much different from the competition. The little known secret is that many large suppliers of fragrances dilute their oils with cheaper carriers to increase their profit margin." What I hear the most from potential customers is they want a "strong" scent. Biggest complaint is a candle that "didn't smell". Still trying to figure all of this out. Total hype and misdirection on the part of BA. Like @TallTayl has pointed out, "cutting" fragrance oils takes employee time, and ties up warehouse space with carriers. How does that increase profits? This kind of attack on the competition to make their product seem better by comparison is unimaginative and smacks of fear-mongering. Sadly we see this all too often these days, and tactics like this make it difficult to winnow fact from fiction. Some suppliers (Save on Scents for example), will dilute their oils in a carrier to make the most skin safe right out of the bottle. Totally different scenario, and is usually labeled as a "body oil" or some such. A few suppliers may choose to carry "grades" of FO, but again, they are labeled as such. I believe that there are many aroma chemicals that do not survive the combustion process, and therefore there will be FOs that do not throw well. And some aroma chemicals can not tolerate the high heat of melted wax, and dissipate before we can't perceive them. And some just don't attach well to the wax molecules. I doubt it has anything to do with strength, but more to do with the chemical composition of the fragrance itself. Hence, the constant testing on our part. 😂 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesinflorida Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 5/30/2019 at 11:11 AM, Laura C said: For those that are interested in concentrated fragrance oils for candle making. Here's links to websites that say their scents are concentrated or non-diluted, so they say. Some links go to pages that describe their FOs and some links go to a FO page that mentions that it is concentrated somewhere on the page. I have not bought from all of these places, only the first six suppliers and I like their FOs and find them to be strong using them between 8-10%. I could probably go lower on the percentages but I've not done any tests yet and I do like strong smelling products. https://thecandlemakersstore.com/a-grade-vs-b-grade-fragrances https://www.bulkapothecary.com/product/raw-ingredients/fragrance-flavor/fragrances/bay-rum-fragrance-oil/ https://www.naturesgardencandles.com/fragrance-oils https://www.wellingtonfragrance.com/Fragrance-Oils-C34.aspx https://www.theflamingcandle.com/fragrance-oil/ https://www.candlescience.com/fragrance-oil https://www.naturesfragrance.com/aladdins-wish-fragrance-oil/ http://www.scentoils.com/Scented_Oils_2.html https://afi-usa.com/faq/ http://www.cajuncandles.com/fragrance-oils.html https://www.lonestarcandlesupply.com/fragrance-oils.html https://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com/fragrance-oils.aspx https://www.justscent.com/fragrance-oil-notes.html https://www.cierracandles.com/fragrance-oils.html https://www.gemlite.com/page/az http://www.saveonscents.com/importantfragranceinfo.php http://store.southwestcandlesupply.com/fragrance-oils.html http://www.wicks-wax-scents.com/scentlist.html http://www.greatcandle.com/ https://www.northstar3c.com/shop/Category/Fragrance-Oils You’re awesome!! Thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Candle Nook Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 On 6/1/2019 at 5:42 PM, bfroberts said: On 6/1/2019 at 4:12 PM, Dirt Roads said: I don't find their oils to be "much different" than the competition. I've had duds from BA. Pricey ones, too. Same. I don’t find BA oils that much different. I like several of them —but kinda roll my eyes at the “we’re stronger” statement. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen M Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 What about this place, her oils say to use .50 oz FO per LB of wax. I have used a lot of the scents and they are remarkable. https://candlecocoon.com/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenni Wix Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) It's funny, some of the best performing oils for me have been great deals from less expensive suppliers. Some of the most expensive have not worked in wax or have been weak. I agree that they likely order a specific concentration from the labs and that some chemicals just don't work well for candles. Lots of trial and error. I love reasonably priced sample sizes for that reason. Edited June 4, 2019 by Jenni Wix 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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