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I just can’t help it! Purchased some palm container wax. Palm burns differently from soy, yes? Does it need to burn edge to edge like soy or will it burn more like a pillar? Should I add coconut oil to help the burn? My one attempt years ago was a bit of a fail, but I did love the throw in it.

I have htp, cd, and eco wicks to try.

Thanks for the help! 

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Don't add anything to it, it is fabulous on its own! 😁❤️

Which one did you get? I've only used the crystal Palm, so my experienced is based on that. It does tend to burn more like a pillar, in that it burns down and then out. It's a little tricky to wick because you want a hot wick for great throw, but it can easily cross the line into a super hot torch. Personally I aim for a full MP about halfway down the jar, or even 3/4 down, and the edges catch up great to clean the glass by the end of the burn. 

HTPs do ok with palm. Be prepared to wick up to get a good flame. Really, CSNs are the best wick to use with palm, but it sucks they are only sold by one supplier, and there are so few sizes. I know a few people use other wicks. I think it's @pcbrook who uses RRDs and likes them. @Jcandleattic uses something else I believe, but I can't remember what off the top of my head. CDNs? I've also used Premiers with some success, but like the HTPs, wicking up is crucial. Personally I get the best throw with CSNs, so that's what I use the most.

I'm really glad I started experimenting with palm, thanks to @Candybee and @Jcandleattic! They inspired me! It is a beautiful wax, easy to use, and once I got the hang of wicking it, a great thrower!

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15 minutes ago, NightLight said:

I read about the flip method. So I make sure the top is solidified enough then flip over?

 

Yep! I tilt the candle on its side first to check for leaky spots, then flip it if it's good. If it's a little leaky I let sit a few minutes longer. Depending on the size of the candle and the ambient temp, it's an hour to two hours after I pour it.

Other people might have a different method. 😁

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Haha no did not get feather or crystal, it’s just called palm container from Candlewic. Not attempting pillars of anything yet. Do you do that floppy thing for the air bubble? And thanks for advice to get meltpool halfway down. When I first tried palm the burn really threw me off and I stopped all attempts, but I love the colors and patterns.

 

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8 minutes ago, NightLight said:

Haha no did not get feather or crystal, it’s just called palm container from Candlewic. Not attempting pillars of anything yet. Do you do that floppy thing for the air bubble? And thanks for advice to get meltpool halfway down. When I first tried palm the burn really threw me off and I stopped all attempts, but I love the colors and patterns.

 

 

Thats exactly what I have! It's a crystal pattern palm.

The burn can be a little scary at first, to get a good throw you need a tall flame. And when you're used to the way container paraffin or soy spread, the melt pool behavior of the Palm can make you doubt you're wicking it right. But overall I felt like the learning curve was only a little steeper than paraffin. I'm way too impatient to use soy. 😂😂

Oh! Definitely give your candles a good two week cure! It vastly improves the HT!

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16 hours ago, Sarah S said:

I think it's @pcbrook who uses RRDs and likes them.

 

I started with the RRDs but I was always getting huge carbon balls.  I now use the Premiers.  

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Okay poured some palm containers today. Thank you for that info on flipping for the bubble. Slightly nerve Wracking!

Is there anyway of getting rid of the air Bubbles. I have not burned yet, but testing htp wicks.

Love the super hot pour. Still waiting for cool down, but I have really good cold throw. Exciting.

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41 minutes ago, NightLight said:

Okay poured some palm containers today. Thank you for that info on flipping for the bubble. Slightly nerve Wracking!

Is there anyway of getting rid of the air Bubbles. I have not burned yet, but testing htp wicks.

Love the super hot pour. Still waiting for cool down, but I have really good cold throw. Exciting.

 

Digging through old posts, I read that some people would "wreck" their Palm containers by stirring and poking through the crust as it cooled to eliminate the air bubbles. Seems like a lot of hassle to me. If you flip it so the bubbles form on the bottom, or even more toward the middle, as your candle burns the molten wax will naturally fill the cavities without you having to do a thing. As long as the bubbles aren't right at the top, it shouldn't be an issue.

I love the CT from palm! I have a palm pillar scenting my bedroom as it cures. 😁 No flame needed, it smells amazing.

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Here is my tester with htp wick. Do people wick for complete melt on the sides? This was two long burns. I could go up a size.

i did get a bubble burp when burning but the wax filled in immediately. 

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Hi there!

Nice job burning.....to me it looks like is 3/4 of the way burned..is it?   Very pretty color also.

When you say you did 2 different long burns, what does that mean?   Different days and how many hours did you burn

I would say next tester to go up a size in wick.

 

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Did another burn different day still hang up. It’s Htp 1212, I think I can go up to 1312 and it would burn cleaner.

jeesh you certainly can not budge this wax out of glass. I wicked a smaller jar and knew it wasn’t even going to burn, attempted to dig out wax. FAIL!

Love cold throw in these candles.

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Wow, it's bad enough you have a 1212 in that jar as that is a big wick but going to the larges wick out there the 1312 now that's a torch!

 

What jar is that?

 

Do you have any other style wicks?

 

Wish I could help more as I use 464.....Surely someone will come along who uses palm and make some suggestions.

 

How is the throw on that scent?   What scent are you using?

 

Trappeur

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The wax is super hard! You could throw the container on cement break the glass and not budge the candle. Palm needs hot wick!

I have a Wellington Slatkin dupe Cranberry Woods. It’s delish. Works in all wax that I have tried. Have to say this was the easiest thing to pour but it has to be poured super hot and you do have to do that floppy thing, but no big deal. Put a timer on' waited an hour flipped.

I have other wicks but they will not burn hot enough even the eco largest I don’t think is hot enough for this stuff.

 

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8 hours ago, NightLight said:

Here is my tester with htp wick. Do people wick for complete melt on the sides? This was two long burns. I could go up a size.

i did get a bubble burp when burning but the wax filled in immediately. 

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That looks good! The HTPs struggle a bit in the acidic environment of palm wax, and as you noted, it needs a hot flame. How does the flame look while it’s burning? Tall and robust? Short and sad? How is the hot throw?

Burn that to the bottom and I think you will be surprised!

 

I took a few pics of my candles on fire to kind of give you a point of reference. 

 

 

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Above is a pillar with an HTP 126. It’s a 3” pillar, and you can see it still has quite a shell even though it’s almost at the bottom. The shell was actually taller, but it broke off from some rough handling. 😳

The flame is pretty small and the HT is only so-so. I know the 1212 is going to be way too big, so I’m looking at a different wick series for this size pillar now. 

 

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Here is a container, a 12oz Status jar. You can see in the top pic that there is a fairly thick shell, but you can also see the flame is a nice size, and the jar is warm to the touch at the top. The HT is good, and you can see from the side view that it still has a ways to go before it burns down to the bottom. Because the flame is nice and hot, the shell will start to melt down in the next couple burns, and the melt pool will stay shallow as the wick consumes the shell at an even rate. I think this wick is a good size (it’s a CSN 12). I could probably go up to a CSN 14 safely, if I was doing 3-4 hr burns, but I like to power burn on the weekends, so I wick for that. 😁

 

 

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Now this one above is definitely under wicked. The flame is tiny, the shell is super thick, and the melt pool is already halfway down the jar. I know that there is no way the sides are going to melt down before the wick hits the bottom, and the HT is weak anyway. Because this is a short container, I’ll need to wick up to try to encourage the melt pool to spread. I think it’s likely that this container may not be appropriate for palm at all, as a bigger wick may choke itself out with too much fuel too quickly. We shall see!

 

 

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And this one above was was one of my first testers ever. You can see (since I labeled it, lol) that the top photo is 2 hrs into the 2nd burn. Look at that shell!! I would have said that this was under-wicked. But then take a look at the second pic. That’s the same candle after several 3-4 hr burns. Boy was that tumbler hot!!

That container was another tricky one. I ended up wicking down, knowing that most people would burn it like a giant votive. The smaller containers are a beast to wick. If I revisit them, I’m going to look at HTPs instead of CSNs. 

 

So I hope that helped illustrate a little bit on the behavior of palm wax! It is totally unlike the other waxes, but once you have some experience with it, it’s easy to see when a wick isn’t working. And my experience has been that FO doesn’t affect it nearly as much as it does with other waxes, although I still always test for throw. I am in no way an expert, and tend to shoot  myself in the foot by container-hopping, but that’s my .02, for what it’s worth! 😃

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Thanks for the photos and info. My jar I am test is 2.5 inches. On more burn this weekend the side cleaned up some, but I am going to try the 1312.

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