LRC06301983 Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 I looked in the information section and did some general research on water baths, but I can't find the answer to my question.That's my disclaimer. I did some homework. Can I pour wax into a mold that is already in a water bath? Yes there is the risk I will get wax in the water, but ignoring that for a minute...what effect will it have on the finnish?Thanks for anyones help in advance!-Luke- Quote
Dustpuuppy Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 You'd prolly get a rustic look, since the mold will be cool. Thing is, if you splash the wax into the water, it *could* cause the water to splash into the mold, then the candle is ruined. Quote
Donita Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 .......and if you put the mold into the waterbath without wax, it will float. Quote
Donita Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 ...but wait....you could secure the bottom with lead weights if you can find a way to get them on the ouside bottom edge of a large mold. Hmmmmmmmm Quote
Donita Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 ....and again....if the waterbath isn't cold but warm....that will effect the finish. I just keep have random thoughts one after another. Must be the little green men....Oh that's right.....you don't know about them....yet. LOL Quote
SatinDucky Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 It's too cold for the little green guys to vome out of their donut ship. Quote
LRC06301983 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 I can weight the mold down so that I'm not too concerned about.And I'm actually going for a rustic finnish, so if the water is a little cooler than room temp or even cold water out of the tap maybe, this you say might enhance or contribute to the rustic effect?Hmm...interesting thoughts...Donita you are ghtting as bad with your postings as I am with my PM's. Quote
Scented Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Well here's another thing to consider. The wax poured into your mold is going to displace some water too. Just do it and then you'll know what happens if ... Quote
sharyl55 Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 How about doing the reverse? Put the mold in an empty water bath container. Pour wax. Weigh down mold. Then add water whatever temp you desire. Guessing you are working on one of your monsters that is to heavy to move after filled with wax. Quote
Dustpuuppy Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 How about doing the reverse? Put the mold in an empty water bath container. Pour wax. Weigh down mold. Then add water whatever temp you desire. Guessing you are working on one of your monsters that is to heavy to move after filled with wax.That would be my choice. Safer all the way around. Quote
sharyl55 Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 DP don't tell me we are on the same wave length. Now that's scary! Quote
Dustpuuppy Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 DP don't tell me we are on the same wave length. Now that's scary! I could understand it, if I'd been drinking... Quote
LRC06301983 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 I think I had just gotten back from a visit with my therapist Dr. J. Daniels when I actually came up with the idea of making a candle so big. Hmmm...liquor and candles...Just Kidding. Yeah I was weighing the use of a waterbath with one of my wax monsters, and it isn't necessarily to heavy to move, I mean it is heavy, but ultimately its just extreemly awkward because I have yet to be able put any kind of handles on the mold etc...however, I was under the impression that adding water to a water bath with a mold with hot wax in it would cause frost lines and or visible horizontal bars running all the way around the candle showing where the water was at etc... or was that an urban candle making legend? Quote
Scented Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 You can get that if your waterbath falls short on your mold, if you understand that. Meaning basically you fill whatever container not all the way up with water. Quote
Dustpuuppy Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 If you pour the water into the bucket, or whatever you're using for a waterbath, smoothly, you won't have a problem. If you run out of water and have to refill the pitcher half way through, you'll see a color change and, perhaps a line. It will take a half minute or so for that to form, so you can generally get away with sitting down an empty pitcher and starting to pour from a second one.The effect you speak of will happen faster, if the water is really cold. It's more forgiving if the water is room temp or even a bit warmer. Quote
Scented Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 I'm thinking LRC wants to purposely make the lines lol. Quote
LRC06301983 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 I am going for a rustic look in a lot of what I am pouring, but I don't necessarily want a "water pour line" per say. I have to think about this because since I will probably be filling up a trashcan size water bath I have to figure out how to get that much warm water...first thought was garden hose, but that is really cold as far as water baths are concerned. Maybe run a hose from the sink or pour in a kettle of boiling water along with the hose water simultaneously to even out temp...I dunno I'll have to run some tests.of course using the cold hose water will be perfect for some candles because I will use the cold to give it a cracked marble effect.but you answered my question. I just need to keep a steady rise/flow and make sure the water isn't too cold. however, scented you were thinking ahead of me when you said I might want the lines...I hadn't thought of it but that might be cool to pour 3 inches of water...wait 5 minutes..pour 5 more inches of water...so on and so forth...to get a horizontally stripped candle...I'll have to play around with it...you guys are so helpful. someday I'll know everything about candle making like you do. -Luke- Quote
Dustpuuppy Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 I'm thinking LRC wants to purposely make the lines lol.Hell, that's easy. Use icewater and pour a little then wait a minute or two, then pour a little more... etc. Quote
Dustpuuppy Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 I am going for a rustic look in a lot of what I am pouring, but I don't necessarily want a "water pour line" per say. I have to think about this because since I will probably be filling up a trashcan size water bath I have to figure out how to get that much warm water...first thought was garden hose, but that is really cold as far as water baths are concerned. Maybe run a hose from the sink or pour in a kettle of boiling water along with the hose water simultaneously to even out temp...I dunno I'll have to run some tests. If you run a hose from a sink, you can just adjust the water temp to room temp from the faucet. I'll have to play around with it... Like everything else to do with candle making. you guys are so helpful. someday I'll know everything about candle making like you do. -Luke-You'll be one up on us, when you know everything. Every time I read through this board, I'm amazed at how little I know. Quote
Scented Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 however, scented you were thinking ahead of me when you said I might want the lines...I hadn't thought of it but that might be cool to pour 3 inches of water...wait 5 minutes..pour 5 more inches of water...so on and so forth...to get a horizontally stripped candle...I'll have to play around with it...you guys are so helpful. someday I'll know everything about candle making like you do. -Luke-It might be cool on a smaller mold than what you're doing lol. It would get a little boring or become tedious to me after the first few pours lol. Twill be interesting to see what you come up with though. Quote
SatinDucky Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 If you're making a rustic finish, lines from the water may not show much if the do form. Quote
Pam W Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Ditto pretty much what everyone else has said.....I put my 7 lb 'cane contraption into a bucket and then added a pitcher at a time -- cold water from the kitchen tap -- after de-molding, the pour lines were slightly visible but more so with a lit candle inside....and it wasn't bad If you can't get your garden hose hooked to a warm water tap, you can get a connection thingy from the fish store. I have a 40 foot hose that screws to my kitchen tap that I use for changing fish tanks and the water temp can be adjusted as necessary.( it will drain or fill depending on how you set it) You could fill the can quickly with hot water then switch the hose bib doo-hicky to reverse and suck out some hot water, reverse again adding some cold -- do this several times and you'll bring down the water temp slowly....and no splashing!! You're going to have to change the water anyway about half way thru the set up process cause it will get warm from that much hot wax. This may not make a lot of sense but I knoooooow you understand -- after all - your a Chandler and seem to have a great ability to improvise. Quote
LRC06301983 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 Pam, thank you for your incredible faith in my creativity. Lol. Yes I understood you perfectly. That makes a lot of sense and is a really good idea...I was also thinking...someone on the board here replied to another one of my posts and said for like $12-$20 (I think was the general range) I could get a powered suction type hose from the auto parts store. They use it for siphoning gas, but I would imagine as the individuals suggested, it would work great for quickly changing out water in a mold....Thanks everyone for a bunch of good suggestions that I will end up using. Keep them comin if you have them. It really makes life easier to brainstorm with a bunch of other Chandlers! (as Pam put it so poetically)-Luke- Quote
Dustpuuppy Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Pam, thank you for your incredible faith in my creativity. Lol. I was also thinking...someone on the board here replied to another one of my posts and said for like $12-$20 (I think was the general range) I could get a powered suction type hose from the auto parts store. They use it for siphoning gas, but I would imagine as the individuals suggested, it would work great for quickly changing out water in a mold....-Luke-Might find them at Home Depot or Lowe's as well. They use them for putting kerosene into heaters as well. Some have power, some have a little pump that you squeeze. The pump type will syphon once you get it started, if the exit tube is lower than the source. Quote
LRC06301983 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 Good lookin out DustP.I'll go check out Lowes today.From all this self mold making they know me by name there.Its actually kind of embarassing and people look at you funny when a bunch of lowes smilling faces greet you by name when you hit the door...I also get people asking me if I work there a lot and if so where they can find stuff. Usually I just show them where it is...somtimes its easier to go with the flow...Lol. Quote
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