Candle guy Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Hey everyone, I have been attempting to wick my 3 inch rounded, 10oz Libby jars that I bought from CS. I am using lemon meringue from aztec at 8% with 1 drop of yellow dye. I have tried lx and htp wicks. Tested lx 21 for 4 hours like every test and it was burning unevenly through first 3 test burns and sooting on one side.I tried a lx 24 and it almost achieved a full melt pool with good scent throw through first 3 burns but it also began sooting and getting the jar hot on one side. I then tested htps 105, 125, 1212, and they all soot very badly as well. 1212 had ano excellent burn, melt pool and FT through the first 2, 4 hours burns. On the third it began leaving soot on one side and got that side really hot as well. Testing 1313 now but has anyone had any success with this jar? Help please lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becky Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I'm thinking if that is the 12 sided jar you're using, you're going to have soot no matter what, especially using 4627. It's hard to keep the jar clean with that neck. I would go with something that has a wider mouth and no neck....with 4627 you should have good HT no matter what kind of jar you use:) A 52z or 60z should work in that jar as well, but oh the mushrooms.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 Becky below is the jar that I am testing. I do however have the 12 sided ones as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becky Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Maybe you do want to try a zinc, lol! The HTP and LX do tend to curl, and your getting soot on just one side of the jar? If so, you may just want to throw a zinc in there to compare...did you ever try them before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 Becky, I do have zincs and tried them in my little jelly jars but find that lx and htp work well in those. I have not tried zinc in the libby yet. I do agree that the scent throw is awesome in 4627. I also believe that the reason why it's getting hot and sooting on the one side is because of the curl effect. I ordered a 2lb sample of 4630 from Peak but have not experimented with it yet. Have you used 4630 by chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becky Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Yes, not a huge fan....the HT just wasn't there for me. I think if you try the zincs in the 4627 you will be impressed with the HT, no jar getting hotter on one side, no dying flames, etc. but the only thing I dislike about the zincs are the mushrooms! But hey, you can always tell your customers when they get their "fragrance mushroom", it's time to trim the wick! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Becky, I will definitely give the zincs a try in that jar for sure. Thank you very much Becky and I appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becky Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Good luck! Let me know how you make out!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 I will thanks Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Member Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I use this wax religiously... and sooting it a problem with it, yes. I've tried several different types of wicks with it... HTP's, LX's, ECO's, Zinc cores, CN's, Premiers, just trying to find the right type of wick for this wax. Hands down the HTP's are the best! None of the other wicks self-trim like the HTP's. You really need a wick that will self trim or else the flame will get out of control and soot. That being said, I wouldn't dare using anything above an HTP 83 in this wax (and with your container I probably wouldn't use anything less than it either). It will not be completely soot free but it will be better than if you use any other wicks, IMO. You should expect some hangup with the HTP 83 but it should all even out by the end. You will never get a full melt pool with the HTP 83 in your status jar with the IGI 4627, however this is a compromise you must make if you don't want your candle to be a soot machine (it will still smell amazing). I've been using the the black straight sided tumblers from CS to mask any sooting and I am happy the outcome, however I realize that many people like clear jars for the obvious reason that you can see the wax through them. Also, recently I made a candle that was 100% IGI 4627 in a pint ball jar with an HTP 83 at 12% FO and there was virtually no soot. I'm not a fan of the ball jars so I don't plan on using them but at least I know that it possible to make a candle with this wax that doesn't soot. So I'm confident that this combination would be a good remedy for you. I think you just started out with HTP's that were too big, but you were right to choose that style in the first place. Give the HTP 83's a try and I think you will like them. HTP wicks will always curl to one side bc this is how they self-trim (the outside of the flame is the hottest and burns any excess carbon buildup). This used to bother me at first because I would make the effort to make sure the wick was centered and then it would just end up burning off center anyways. If this bother you, I can tell you that the wick will always curl to the side with the braid pointing upwards. Look at the HTP wicks. On one side it will look like there are arrows pointing downwards and on the other side it will look like there are arrows pointing upwards. The wick will always curl to the side where the arrows are pointing upwards. With a little practice you can off center the wick just enough when you pour you candle so that the wick burns straight down the middle. But like I said, it should all be used up by the end anyways so this is purely for the perfectionists. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Hapathy, That is awesome info and thank you very much. I never thought to use an 83 because this wax I have always had to wick upwards. This now makes me re-think my jelly jars lol. I recently placed an HTP 1212 in my pint mason at 8%. My first burn at 4 hours has had it achieve a full melt pool and awesome throw. The down side is the temperature of the sides afterwards. I will try a lower htp with it and see from there as well. I will also try a zinc to see the differences. Looks like the testing will forever ensue. Great advice and thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Member Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Np! Just another piece of advice, if you use the HTP 83's and you don't like the size of the melt pool, GB 464 is a good additive to lower the melt point (and give you a bigger melt pool) without compromising the scent throw. I would do 80/20 of 4627/464 if this is a problem. But you are right, everyone must experiment to find what works best for them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Hapathy, I do have some 464 left and I may just try that combination. I find that 464 has great ht when cured for 2 weeks. I stopped making straight 464 because of the cure times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becky Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Hey Hapathy, loved the idea with the black jars=total brilliance! LOL Another tip, I know some chandlers twist the wick a few times once in adhered to the jar; that may help with a more even melt pool... All this talk of HTP's....I may have to pull out my ginormous wick bag.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Hey guys, I have twisted the wicks also but I am not sure if it has helped but I will continue to do so. I will try those black jars also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Hapathy, What size htp's do you use in the black tumblers with 4627? Hope that is not being too intrusive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Member Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 not intrusive at all... I use the HTP 83's, thats pretty much my go-to wick. I've never tried twisting the wicks before but sounds like an idea I will have to try out! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Thanks a lot Hapathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Member Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Sorry one more thing that I didn't even think to mention until I read a post a few posts down... and that is that you should not trim these wicks! They take care of that all by themselves and the flame will be too small if you trim them to 1/4". So just let them do their thing.. they are truly hassle-free and I love them for that. And the candle will burn slowly so you will have to be a little patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 Hapathy, So I'm guessing that I can cut it a bit higher than 1/4 inch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Member Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Yep, half an inch would be fine. Even if you didn't cut it at all and there were several inches of wick sticking up, it would still trim itself down to where it needs to be and the flame would not be out of control lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 That's awesome stuff! Thanks again I'll give that a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisLittleLightOfMine Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 So we meet again candle guy! Lol I too am on the constant hunt for the PERFECT wick/candle/HT/ flame with this amazing and frustrating 4627. Did you ever concur the dancing flames issue? I am still trying to perfect the 8 oz country colonial apothecary jar from peak ... Just ordered a couple other wax samples that should be in tomorrow... one of which is the 4630 (great minds think alike) but the other one is 4786 that I read in one of the posts on here was the only thing that he found to correct the dancing flame thing. Just wondering if you discovered a different "cure" I could try as well! We'll get it eventually RIGHT?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candle guy Posted March 8, 2016 Author Share Posted March 8, 2016 Hey light, Good to hear from you again as well. The dancing flame issue I fear is not going anywhere lol. I have learned to live with it. Hapathy gave me some advice and instructed me to try a htp 83 with my libby jar. I made one this morning b4 I headed off to work. In a couple of days I will begin testing with it to see how it burns. I put a 105 in my 12 sided jar and tested that yesterday. It achieved a full melt pool, smelled amazing, but it was way too big as the jar had gotten really hot. I will drop down to a 83 and try that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisLittleLightOfMine Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Will look forward to your results and will post mine with the mix I'm gonna try this weekend after getting my order. I am getting a full MP within 2 - 3 four hour test burns restaurant amzing HT and CT just don't particularly like the dancing flame... Would prefer a soothing consistant flame... Maybe I'm wanting too much lol we'll see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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