This thread is making me laugh. I'm guilty too. When I first started, 4 years ago, I would set my timer and stir and stir. Now I just stir until I think it looks good. I mostly make melts in clamshells, so I wait until it cools to somewhere between 150-160 - give a quick stir and pour. Works great! I too remember the time when I was scared to post anything. Scared of being yelled at. I remember one post where a guy posted that he was going to start selling his candles. He posted pictures of his candles. The wicks were going in all kinds of direction, not even secured. Colors were awful. Wax was all bumpy and with great big wholes in it. People attacked him and told him he was going to blow up houses and how dare he.... I got on and said that this had to be a joke and that it was making me laugh. Man I thought I was going to get lynched. Wooh - lesson learned there. Thank you - to all in this forum now. It might not be as active as it once was, but I really like the vibe here. And we still have people that really know there stuff!!