OOOHHH maybe that was the problem (using a whip wax) I didnt know i had to make sure the wax was packed good,,, hhmmm i will definitly pack tightly this time. I wish i knew how to post a pic but it gets me balled up all the time , i will try tomorrow when i have more brain function:tiptoe: Thank you so much for your reply.. Im going to make another a pack it good this time. Ionly have cd-16 cd-8 cd-14 cd-12 cd-6 and lx-26 Dont know anything about these types of wicks, i recieved them as part of a "lot" on the classifieds. Do you have any suggestions on what wick to start off with?:undecided Thanks again