I am also on the Yahoo group and get a lot of info from there, but you are right, they tend to do pretty involved recipes. No matter what type of recipe you use, you HAVE to use stearic acid and glycerin. I highly recommend Catherine Failor's "Making Cream Soap" booklet...it really goes through the basics and the "whys" and has several basic recipes. Here is one: (Ive seen it posted elsewhere so I hope its OK to post here) 24 oz stearic acid 4 oz coconut oil 4 oz soft oil of choice (olove, safflower, whatever) 9-12 oz glycerin 1 oz sodium hydroxide 5 oz potassium hydroxide 36 oz water for supercreaming after the cook: 1 -1 1/2 oz melted stearic OR 1/2 - 3/4 oz boric acid dissolved in 4 oz hot water