I used the cd wicks, I liked the way they burned, but I dont use 464 anymore, over a year worth of candle making with 464 and came to the conclusion that 464 is disappointing. I conquered the wet spots, and even the the bumpy tops and frosting, but then there is the lack of hot throw on over 50 different fo's. Plus the candles that did come out really nice, after 3 months there all frosted up, dry looking. I wouldnt buy it. So now concentrating on wax melts for the time..and will try some different waxes down the road