Sliverofwax, those are good tips for working with CB, thank you! I did love that wax, and it was quite new when I was winding down my business, I was pretty much a 4786 user, although I love the no repour idea! I used to have a very large melter and sold it a long time ago, which I am REALLY kicking myself over now , time to save up again Thank you Candybee for taking the time to give me all of that information, those are two waxes that I have never heard of and will definitely check out, I will buy a few samples to play around with. The idea of a super wax is intriguing! Jason, I never added anything to the 4794 other then liquid dye and fragrance, and while it is a votive wax, it made an amazing pillar that filled a room with fragrance, I only had one formula which I don't mind sharing, I used to share it on TSR back in the day. 3 inch wide round mold with a cd 16 wick,(although experiment with the wick size depending on FO, etc) I kept them on the shorter side, never more then 6 inches tall, but it may work taller, I just never did. I believe I was using 1 oz of fo pp.back then and they are very "huggable" on top. I packaged them in a gift box with tissue paper because they were a bit scuff-able, if you've got some extra 4794 laying around, experiment and see if you like it, I think you will