Hi Beth! I will let you know if I get to these any time soon. I have a couple of other projects in line ahead of them... and there just isn't enough time in a day. The Kitchener stitch does work beautifully when done correctly. The pattern I have seems to do a seamless toe with the cast on - won't know how well it works for sure till I try it. I love trying new methods and stuff (been knitting for 50+ years - started at age 7) - keeps things interesting. If you have trouble "seeing" the pattern by reading the instructions, then line by line works well. If you have trouble line by line, just remember that it isn't always you - some patterns are full of mistakes or just plain poorly written. If you need it, I'd be glad to take a look at your pattern and see if I can help - just holler any time!