When we started (we being my sister and I) bought 1000 jars. Better price and then you have them. Just be sure that tins is what you want to do. Some people love them and other people hate them. My customers like to see the flame and in a tin, it is not as visible. If you can find a china seller that will see just 1000 I would try it. But I agree it is usually 10,000 min.