SoyKandles Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I haven't posted to this forum for a LONG time, but I'm missing candlemaking and want to get back into it some. I thoroughly enjoy candlemaking and have missed it!So what I've read for GB 464 is to heat to 180* and pour around 160*. Then I read that some pour around 100*, which is what I use to pour at when using KY125. Then I read about Tempering . . . how do you get your color & FO to blend & bind with the wax at 125? Does adding the FO at a lower temperature change the scent throw? I'm wondering what to start with here! I know I need to just dive in and start the testing process, but I would like to hear from you all about some of these things. Does Tempering really help? Can you consistently get good tops when you pour hotter (around 160*)?I have some wax on order and I can't wait to start testing!Your opinions would be appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I have never tempered 464... been using it for about 3 yearsI heat to 175 - add FO and pour at 140 and have always got perfect smooth tops in my 8 ounce square mason jarrecently I poured some in little flower containers and I got rough tops but I think they cooled to fast in those little jars so when I re-adjusted to pouring at 150 they were smoothI do not color but do get frost rings AFTER burn- a few have frosted un-burned that have been sitting around for a very long time in the jar. Tempering may help alot and I know there is a link in here from Jason at GB on tempering this wax if you do a search on itI have also had great success with adding only 1% beeswax- no frost rings during burn so maybe with color 2% would be a good percentage....may have to wick up though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyKandles Posted April 12, 2012 Author Share Posted April 12, 2012 I also have used the 8 oz square mason jars and when using KY125 and added beeswax. I was hoping to get away from the beeswax. I wonder if KY125 is fairly close to GB 464 . . . I think I remember that GB makes KY125 also.In the beginning of my candlemaking I heated my jars and learned that created more frosting. So I don't heat my jars anymore, but the room temperature is important. Do you heat your jars?I saw the information from Jason on tempering. That's why I wondering if people use that procedure with 464.Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Heat 464 to melt, add color if you want, continue heating until 185, add FO, remove from heat, stir to 165 ad pour. Have always gotten great tops. Now frosting, this is another story. I believe 464 already has USA in it and it still frost, tempering didn't help for me as well as the multitude of other additives. If I make 464 candles now, I make them without color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I also have used the 8 oz square mason jars and when using KY125 and added beeswax. I was hoping to get away from the beeswax. I wonder if KY125 is fairly close to GB 464 . . . I think I remember that GB makes KY125 also.In the beginning of my candlemaking I heated my jars and learned that created more frosting. So I don't heat my jars anymore, but the room temperature is important. Do you heat your jars?I saw the information from Jason on tempering. That's why I wondering if people use that procedure with 464.Thanks!I do heat my jars but only enough to take the chill off them- I pour in my finished basement and its always cooler down thereI do heat my FO also and the pour pot that I pour into after the wax meltsI have recently been switching over to 415 so I have not poured alot of 464 lately but I wonder if adding additional USA would help with frost- many do this with C3 which already has it in itAnother thing to try- I have not in 464 but it works amazing in 415 is palm stearic acid... have you tried this rjdaines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Another thing to try- I have not in 464 but it works amazing in 415 is palm stearic acid... have you tried this rjdaines?I have not tried palm stearic with 464, I have moved to parasoy instead and find that it gives me the best of both worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyKandles Posted April 12, 2012 Author Share Posted April 12, 2012 I will need to wait for my wax and test it myself. Thanks for your input, now I know where to start.Another question . . . does Golden Brands have their own website? I tried to find one last night and I kept getting an error message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I will need to wait for my wax and test it myself. Thanks for your input, now I know where to start.Another question . . . does Golden Brands have their own website? I tried to find one last night and I kept getting an error message.http://gfgb.com/candles/candles.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyKandles Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 I was hoping GB464 would be easier to work with than KY125. It sounds like there are always things to learn with any wax you use. . . and I knew that! Just realized I should stick with what I've used and tested extensively - KY125. I'm satisfied with the scent throw, just frustrated with frost that sometimes appears and sometimes doesn't! If someone would tell me the secret of a no frost soy candle, I'd be sooo happy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I was hoping GB464 would be easier to work with than KY125. It sounds like there are always things to learn with any wax you use. . . and I knew that! Just realized I should stick with what I've used and tested extensively - KY125. I'm satisfied with the scent throw, just frustrated with frost that sometimes appears and sometimes doesn't! If someone would tell me the secret of a no frost soy candle, I'd be sooo happy!There is no secrete, soy is going to frost either after the candle is made or during the burn after cooling. If there was a secret, universal ingredient then there would never be another "Help my soy candles are frosting" thread again. If you are not against some small amounts of paraffin in you soy candles, then you'll probably find that adding it stops frosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyKandles Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 There is no secrete, soy is going to frost either after the candle is made or during the burn after cooling. If there was a secret, universal ingredient then there would never be another "Help my soy candles are frosting" thread again. If you are not against some small amounts of paraffin in you soy candles, then you'll probably find that adding it stops frosting.Small amount of paraffin meaning what? Like 3% or 10%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Small amount of paraffin meaning what? Like 3% or 10%?Less than 10% though you will have to test this based on your formula (wax, FO and color) since these all can promote frosting. I would try 1%, 3% and 5% as a start. Or just try 3% first and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyKandles Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 Thanks for your help . . . I think I'll give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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