Heaven-Cynt Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Hi everybody! Not new here but it's been awhile since I posted in this section. I recently saw some hot process soaps by a bath n body biz owner and they were absolutely GORGEOUS! You really couldn't tell they were hot processed! I mean smooth in every way and now I wanna know how to do it. I read somewhere to add sodium lactate (sp)? but are there other ways to acheive that type of smoothness too? Just wondering. Can someone point me to a tutorial? Edited to add: I've been checking out Soapqueen's tutorial but there's nothing on HP. Thanks. Edited October 6, 2015 by Heaven-Cynt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Do you have a link or pic of the soaps you are talking about? I use a crock pot and my oven for different soaps but don't do anything special with them. My oven processed soaps are my salt bars that look awesome and smooth when finished but that is because I first CP the soap them do a column swirl in a flat slab mold with dividers. The finished soap just slides off the dividers and is satin smooth on the sides and bottom with a lovely swirl throughout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven-Cynt Posted October 6, 2015 Author Share Posted October 6, 2015 No I don't have a link to show you because she did it through Periscope. She cooked it in a crockpot the night before and she scoped and showed the finished product the following day. It was mind blowing how beautiful they turned out! I've never tried oven process before, something else I need to try out, thanks for your post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I've been reading a lot of different "new" techniques for HP that are just different spins on old, traditional commercial HP. Many use lots of sugar, water, sodium lactate and dangerously high levels of heat.The best Hp i ever made was my usual formula with "full water" and a crock pot. The trick is to not over cook it and not over whip air into it.Plasticizers (like sugar added to the lye solution), or adding oils or milk toward the end of the cook really smooth the pour. When making HP, it helps to hold on to a bar or two to watch how they age. The new hyped methods claim no shrinkage or water loss. But then they never weigh the soap after it is cut to find they do actually shrink and distort. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Yeah... my crockpot shaving soaps do some shrinking after they are cut. I use full water and can pretty much 'cream' the batter during the cook while the batter is its hottest. But I don't color them or design them in any way as well they are for shaving... hmm... maybe I should practice some on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cindym Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 If you are on facebook there are groups that discuss hp soap techniques. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faerywren Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I cook my soap in a crock pot. Once it is at the "apple sauce" stage I take the crock away from the heat and add liquid glycerin. I can swirl and layer and do anything with my soap at this stage. It is very smooth and when left to set in my wooden molds, the heat is retained and makes a very smooth soap. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Yeas! I add liquid glycerin and goat milk to my shaving soap once its cooked and this helps make it satiny smooth and easier to blend with either a SB or hand whisk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven-Cynt Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Thanks everyone for your input. Very appreciate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northwoodsgal Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Hi everybody! Not new here but it's been awhile since I posted in this section. I recently saw some hot process soaps by a bath n body biz owner and they were absolutely GORGEOUS! You really couldn't tell they were hot processed! I mean smooth in every way and now I wanna know how to do it. I read somewhere to add sodium lactate (sp)? but are there other ways to acheive that type of smoothness too? Just wondering. Can someone point me to a tutorial? Edited to add: I've been checking out Soapqueen's tutorial but there's nothing on HP. Thanks. I'm here in this forum to solve this mystery as well. I have seen two YouTubers: ByrdieJean and Hot Process Queen create very liquid smooth HP bars with swirls, texture and color on par with CP. That said, Hot Process Queen appears to be controversial with some undisclosed recipe because it's hard to believe that smoothness comes without continued heat or pouring the soap before it's passed the zap test? There's not enough content in the videos to get clarity about what's really happening, but it seems more like CP to me. I don't have enough soap knowledge to say. She says it's HP and it sure looks smooth. That's the infer I have. As for ByrdieJean, her approach creates such gorgeous smooth HP bars. I see that another user has addressed this, but for the sake of sharing here's one of her videos. In the comments she explains the water discount at the beginning to add in water at the end to get a smooth pour. I'm too new to the HP process and yet to have had success with this method, so any experienced folks with this method would be more helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1rDiQowxIE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Well, having made both of those formats i can tell you one thing: both shrink like there is no tomorrow distorting into really nasty colors and shapes. Neither "has the time" to bother weighing their soap over time as they are "too busy making and selling their soap". My advice: rely on a great formula you love without all the additives 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcandleattic Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Ive done the birdiejean method and by the end it was so much more work, that it wasn't worth it, and as TT said, it shrunk and just wasn't a pretty bar. I cure all my soaps for a minimum of 4 weeks, most of the time 6, so HP is no advantage to me with all the extra work involved so I just CP mostly now. Once in a while I will get a bug to HP but that's mostly when I really want a stubborn FO that I can't CP. I do as TT said in an earlier post - full water and a crock on low without over cooking. works great and even though, yes there is shrinkage, it is no worse than my CP and at the end of the cure they still look great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 When i first read of the methods i thought, "too good to be true" and does not hold up to the limitations of science. The big bullet points made about making it today to sell tomorrow were a hit with people who are looking for ways to cut corners . It seemed like a green light to defy the laws of soaping When you sell things so fast and don't hold any back to observe over time, how can you tell how they age? They didn't care. Several of us on another forum tested, researched back through old and current patents and quickly decided there was nothing "new" in either process despite the staggeringly hefty price tag on one of the e-books. And it takes so much more time and effort for so little soap in a session.When you learn your fatty acid profiles and fine tune technique you learn how little is needed for a bar of soap that is hard enough to package in 24 hours using good old CP. All soap benefits from a nice cure, no arguments there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asheebeans Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 The chemistry store has a great tutorial on doing fluid hot process soap. With what I have read on the internet and with CS's recipe, I recently made a batch. IT IS CRAZY! It really does go fluid. Not sure if it's the yogurt, but I did get some swirl action. The last time I made HP it was a gloppy mess! I was pleasantly surprised, though the real test, IMO, is the bar of soap! Still letting mine cure, though they say you can use it next day. Mine's a bit rubbery at this stage, but I'll post updates. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcandleattic Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 In reality you can use CP the next day as well. As long as saponification is complete, it is perfectly safe to use. However, it is so harsh and drying to the skin at such a young stage of it's life, nobody in their right mind (IMO) would want to use a day old soap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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