Becky Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Anyone ever try Vybar 260 and soy? I was thinking of trying it with some 415 just to see how it would come out...I've mastered my own blend (parasoy) which took years, and I love my paraffin, but, like many of you I continue to test, test, test. lol I think it's in my nature to never be satisfied! Geesh, I can't believe I'm crossing over to the dark side....straight soy here I come! So should I leave the vybar out or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Anyone ever try Vybar 260 and soy? I was thinking of trying it with some 415 just to see how it would come out...I've mastered my own blend (parasoy) which took years, and I love my paraffin, but, like many of you I continue to test, test, test. lol I think it's in my nature to never be satisfied! Geesh, I can't believe I'm crossing over to the dark side....straight soy here I come! So should I leave the vybar out or no? I'm not generally one to discourage experimentation, but it might not be worth it. Lots of people have tried this. I can't remember exactly what happens, but that's because it isn't anything useful. If you feel like doing it though, post a pic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandlekrazy Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Can't remember my 415 testing but I use C3 soy and add Universal soy additive, seems to make C3 wax behave a little better. Soy has some issues butif you want to dive in I wouldn't try a bunch of stuff...most of it doesn't help and just adds cost and testing time. Maybe someone that uses 415 will answer for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) The dark side.....415 is the end of the brilliant bedazzled rainbow- lolI have not tried it so I can't comment but the research I did I don't think it would be of any use - USA has a wonderful use in 415 and beeswax does well also but I prefer the USA 415 if is very finicky on looks but the throw is amazing straight- I chose to add USA so I would not have to spend all day tempering the stuff on top of waiting forever for the cool pour temp....I don't think it compromised the throw much but there is a difference from just using plain old 415 straight up Edited April 19, 2015 by moonshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becky Posted April 19, 2015 Author Share Posted April 19, 2015 Thanks, guys! I'm such a mad scientist, lol!Maybe a blend of 415 and 464 to smooth it out...Maybe a blend of 415 and a teeny bit of paraffin...My mind won't stop, lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I chose to add USA so I would not have to spend all day tempering the stuff on top of waiting forever for the cool pour temp....I don't think it compromised the throw much but there is a difference from just using plain old 415 straight up I need to jump in here because it sounds like you are thinking of that loony technique that someone used to spread around the board. Let me just say, that's not tempering and it does not accomplish the slightest thing. Every time you get the wax hot and fully melted, you are starting from scratch. Doing that twice only kills time. If it seems to work, what you did right is whatever came after the second heat-up. The wax has no memory of anything before that. Not only is it physically impossible for this technique to accomplish anything, but the whole idea of it seems made up. I've never found the source of it except that one person. It might be some terrible misunderstanding of something out of chocolate-making. However, even though that's not it, tempering is totally real. Without it you wouldn't have those smooth creamy vegetable shortenings and margarines at the supermarket. Or at least it would go grainy pretty quick if it didn't find its environment agreeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I'm not going to lie and say understand the whole theory "technique" tempering or not but when I started with 415 this was my experience and I have no clue why or what...it just wasI would heat to 185- add my FO and pour at 100- all candles no matter the FO would be rough and crater topped and full of wet spots If I heated to 185- let cool to 120 and reheat to 185 - add FO and pour at 100 I had baby butt smooth tops and no wet spots- all jars prepared the sameThen I played with USA and I get the same result eliminating the need to cool and reheat.....I do not know if that process is really "tempering" it is a term I did read on here but whatever it was did fix my ugly issues but it was way to time consuming so I went with the USA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I do not know if that process is really "tempering" it is a term I did read on here but whatever it was did fix my ugly issues but it was way to time consuming so I went with the USA Yeah that process came from one person who didn't have a clue. Every time you heat up the wax to 180, you're starting over again. Melting and cooling it twice does exactly nothing. I'm gonna mention that for the record when it comes up. I know you aren't doing it, but maybe others still are. What gave you good results is whatever you did the second time you cooled and poured it. Nothing prior to melting the wax matters. Melting to 180 is like hitting the reboot button, so the wax completely "forgets" anything that happened before that. I promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OldGlory Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Tempering as I know it:After your soy cools and forms tiny crystals (still a thick liquid), you heat it up (I heat it up slowly), stirring, until the crystals are smoothed out. Pour. That's when I get the prettiest creamy tops. Since I pour into tins, I pour at whatever temperature about 3/4 of the way full, then set aside a small amount of wax to fill.That is the wax I "temper". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Ford Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) I cannot speak to VyBar - but our Polyboost polymer (virtually identical) - has been used by our customers with soy blends that have particularly difficult fragrances (i.e. bleed). Seems to work just fine. Since Polyboost is a wax crystal modifier - there should be not a problem using it in an all Veggie product. However, please note that it is likely it will not act in the same way as candles made with paraffin wax(es), I don't it would be any different using Vybar. HTH... Edited April 22, 2015 by Brad Ford 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 And how do we go about getting this product to try Brad? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Ford Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I wish I could be more helpful, but at the moment we don't have any resellers for this product (working on that)-but I would be happy to get you a sample you want to experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I would love that thank you I will pm you my info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I wish I could be more helpful, but at the moment we don't have any resellers for this product (working on that)-but I would be happy to get you a sample you want to experiment. Well hi Brad! Do you still have those 2 narrow-cut paraffins -- I think they were 135W and 145W? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Ford Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Well hi Brad! Do you still have those 2 narrow-cut paraffins -- I think they were 135W and 145W?Impressive memory! Or good note taker?Anyway, no, we no longer have those products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'm not going to lie and say understand the whole theory "technique" tempering or not but when I started with 415 this was my experience and I have no clue why or what...it just wasI would heat to 185- add my FO and pour at 100- all candles no matter the FO would be rough and crater topped and full of wet spotsIf I heated to 185- let cool to 120 and reheat to 185 - add FO and pour at 100 I had baby butt smooth tops and no wet spots- all jars prepared the sameThen I played with USA and I get the same result eliminating the need to cool and reheat.....I do not know if that process is really "tempering" it is a term I did read on here but whatever it was did fix my ugly issues but it was way to time consuming so I went with the USA I can say from my experience with Moonshine's candles that she makes a kick a$$ soy candle! No frosting or wet spots. Looks ultra creamy and the throw is fantastic! Whatever you are doing Moonshine keep it up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Thanks Candybee!! That is a very high compliment seeing as I followed your posts for years and admire you knowledge and experience! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Like I said earlier, the good results you get are due to you and not xxxxxx52. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 ...or 16 oz of FO per lb of wax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 LolWell I am not changing a thing then other than I am going to play with the poly boost and see what I get.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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