kelz Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Hello all, I'm new to the forum and also new to candle making... I started experimenting with 464 soy about 2 years ago, but stopped and have since started up again. idk if i had beginners luck or what but my 8oz tins that i used with the soy were fantastic... Great looking candles, great cold throw, good melt pool, nice flames but horrible hot throw, which led me to change waxes this time because i'm after an amazing hot throw... switched to 4627! I'm testing in 4oz tins, 8oz tins, & 8oz straight side jars... I/m using lx wicks, and have tested with & without dye, 6%, 8% & 10% FO... idk what I'm doing wrong, not getting a good scent throw at all!!! and the last couple of candles I made the oil is pooling to the bottom of the candles , with horrible bubble! I've tried different heating & pouring temps but just not getting a good throw, after some burning my melt pools extend to the edge, little flickering and little mushrooming, idk if i have candle nose or not but when I ask my son does he smell them he says he smells a little of the scent and a little of a "smoke scent" please help!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 So for people to help you better ... how much FO per pound are you using? What is your pour temp? Are you poking relief holes ... my experience with bubbling is that there's air in there. What size of LX are you using and have you any other wicks, if so what and what sizes? How long did you let your candle sit before lighting it? So yes, cry now, but don't give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) What Scented said. LOL More info would help. I would like to add that my experience using LX wicks in soy container candles was not having any hot throw whatsoever. I also would not go with an LX for paraffin container wax. Edited January 24, 2015 by Candybee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelz Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 I have used 6%, 8%, & 10% FO pp., I have been pouring between 175-185, I've used lx 14, & 16 in the 4oz tins, lx 20 in the 8oz tins, lx 18 in the 8oz straight side jars... first set of testers i let cure for about 24hrs, second set i let cure for about 3 days before lighting... Didn't poke any relief holes.. how do I do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelz Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 OK any suggestions for other wicks I should try? Thank you guys so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceangazer1 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) There's no crying in baseball LOL JK!! Yeah I've cried an ocean since 2001, but you will pick yourself up and dust yourself off Make sure you are stirring at least 2 mins to incorporate your fo into the wax. I borderline hate soy wax because of the hot throw just isn't what I feel is enough compared to Paraffin Edited January 24, 2015 by Oceangazer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceangazer1 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 CD wicks!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelz Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 The soy wax wasn't giving a good hot throw at all that's why I switched to the 4627 comfort blend... After so much reading I see it's a hassle to wick, but when I initially read the reviews on the comfort blend it got great reviews for the HT abilities so that's why I ordered it, but I'm still not getting the HT I'm looking for, I've done tons of reading but can"t figure out what I'm doing wrong.... Again, thanks for replying!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I have used 6%, 8%, & 10% FO pp., I have been pouring between 175-185, I've used lx 14, & 16 in the 4oz tins, lx 20 in the 8oz tins, lx 18 in the 8oz straight side jars... first set of testers i let cure for about 24hrs, second set i let cure for about 3 days before lighting... Didn't poke any relief holes.. how do I do that?Take a skewer or chopstick or something smallish enough and poke holes around the wick while the wax is cooling, has formed a fairly thickish skin on top. Some do two holes, one each side. Some do four. Then you repour over it. I know some people think the wax won't crater or have sink holes etc., but bubbles usually equate to either air or water. You didn't have water in there did you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 About 95% of my candles I use the standard 6% FO per lb wax. If it doesn't throw at 6% I move on to another FO. I have maybe 1 or 2 FOs that I may use as much as 8% but they are the exception and not the rule. Its a common mistake for new candle makers to think more (FO) is better but that is not the case. Too much can clog your wick or lose its scent. Yes lose its scent. So always think less is more when it comes to FO%. I agree with Oceangazer. Try some CD wicks but you could also try zincs and a few others. Everyone has their favorite for their wax. Visit some of the wick manufacturer sites to learn about how their wicks work and what waxes they recommend for each wick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 This 4627 will take up to a 12% load of FO too ... So just make sure you're using quality FO ... if you're buying it at a Hobby Lobby type place, just stop doing that. FO there is a ripoff and it takes too much to make something throw cold. I wasted a lot of $$ on this in the 1990s till I found real fragrance oils and even then it took me a while to use the right amount to get a throw too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelz Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 no water, I made sure to keep all equipment dry... just wondering if I'm using too much FO to try to get the HT I want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelz Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 I've ordered my very first FOs from CS, and this last batch I ordered was from TheCommonScents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Something else, look at the bottom of your candles and see if you see the bubbles and can pinpoint where they might be coming from. That might give you an idea of what's causing the bubbles, like if it's near the wick, there could be an air pocket type of thing. You might get bubbles while pouring and they get trapped ... slow your pouring down if this is the case. Any shiny looking beads you see in wax ... dislodge the stuff. You can do it with a skewer, chopstick whatever. When those bubbles show on top of a candle, zap it with a heat gun. Hope all that makes some sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Here's your properties on your wax: PropertiesWax Type ParaffinAppearance Smooth, OpaqueMax Fragrance 12% or 2oz./lb.Applications Container / TealightPour temp 180° (+/-5°)Oil Content .4Melt Point 125° I can't comment about The Common Scents, because never heard of them. Edited January 24, 2015 by Scented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debratant Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) I am going to recommend trying out the htp, zinc or cd wicks. Some are even having good luck with premier wicks. I use HTP and have great luck with those.If you read the description of 4627 on Peaks site...they recommend htp wicks and also that you need to wick up with this wax. edited, do you mind telling us which oils you are using from Candle Science? I'm unfamiliar with the other company too. Edited January 24, 2015 by debratant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelz Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 ok thanks, so I'll test with some different wicks, & maybe I haven't been stirring for long enough which is making all the FO pool to the bottom, & poke relief holes... It really is a science to this thing huh LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 no water, I made sure to keep all equipment dry... just wondering if I'm using too much FO to try to get the HT I want?I was kind of kidding about water, but sometimes when people clean jars they might miss a drop, so thought I would ask. Apparently there are a lot of people who praise this wax so you just need to do some evaluating and note taking on what you're doing. If you want to start out plain jane, then look at it from what you get with various FO loads ... but others have told you to go to a different wick and you might wanna do that first before playing around with FO loads. You'll become a pro at this as long as you keep trying and keep trying to solve problems you run into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 ok thanks, so I'll test with some different wicks, & maybe I haven't been stirring for long enough which is making all the FO pool to the bottom, & poke relief holes... It really is a science to this thing huh LOL What kind of FO? Most will blend in upon pouring and a quick stir, but vanillas and heavier FOs (high spice types) have some trouble blending so yes, stir, stir and if you keep getting FO pooling at the bottom (which I don't think you did with CS right?) go to another fragrance supplier, but let the one you bought from know your issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Oil pooling at the bottom sounds like the FO didn't incorporate into the wax. Could be you are using too much or didn't stir long enough. Also, there are a few FOs that are more prone to pooling but these tend to be the exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelz Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 OOOOKKKK yes!!!!! it was a black currant vanilla... so maybe the vanilla in it is making it pool to the bottom... You guys are so fantastic!!!!! the scent smells soooo good, but I couldnt figure out what the pooling was coming from, so maybe the vanilla in it is what"s making it pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Hey I am looking at The Common Scents. Is this the place? http://www.thecommonscents.com/Body-Oils-Fragrances_c628.htm Cuz if it is ... go get you some pure fragrance oils not pure body oils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelz Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Hey I am looking at The Common Scents. Is this the place? http://www.thecommonscents.com/Body-Oils-Fragrances_c628.htm Cuz if it is ... go get you some pure fragrance oils not pure body oils. yes!!!! that's the place!!! I always order body oils from there & when I asked her could they be used in candles she said yes, just make sure I do test... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I think your test is proving they don't mix with your wax and that's what's at the bottom. A black currant and vanilla should mix in with no trouble, but I wouldn't use these oils to try to make candles from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelz Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 I think your test is proving they don't mix with your wax and that's what's at the bottom. A black currant and vanilla should mix in with no trouble, but I wouldn't use these oils to try to make candles from. My beautiful blessing for today!!!!! Didn't even think about that... I'm laughing so hard right now, smh I had a list of fragrances I was gonna order next OMG you don't know what a blessing that is.. ok so NO more pure body oils hahahahahaaaa.... What about peak, CS & NG oils? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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