crvella Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Hi All Im a big fan of 4627, but understand some people blend with other paraffin waxes. Just wondering why people blend, and what are the benefits. I've heard some people blend with 4630 or another similiar harder wax, for example. Does this do something for the burn characteristics; to reduce soot; mushrooming fragrance throw. Or is it simply for asthetics? I'm testing with htp, eco, cdn and permier; and have issues with all of them in one way or another, and wondering if I should, for example, start using 4627 with 4630 to reduce the oil content and therefore hopefully reduce mushrooming and sooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I blend it with 4786 because I've tried everything else with it. I tried almost every other wax & combo & this one worked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcandleattic Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 People blend for various reasons, and can be all of those you mentioned. When I blend it is usually because of burn characteristics and throw. The reasons are as individual as the person blending. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogieluv Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 After so much difficulty wicking straight 4627, I decided to try ChandlerWicks suggestion of 60% 4627 with 40% 4786. I'm currently doing burn tests with 6% FO and a dark dye. The color is not as vibrant but I actually like the depth of having something a little more opaque since I prefer strongly colored candles and this allows me to use less dye. The throw is awesome. Glass adhesion is a non-issue --I've been heating my containers but I've found that even if I don't, I still don't have any problems with wet spots especially with small to medium containers. I like that I can trim my wicks without disturbing the wax around it. I do find that I have to do a second pour --regardless of whether I heat my containers or not-- which I really don't mind. I had to do that anyway with straight 4627. No sink holes but just a very slight dip towards the center that would probably be imperceptible to customers. However, once I noticed it and corrected for it with a small repour, it made all the difference in burn tests. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crvella Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 Thanks guys! I can't get my hands on the 4786 here in Australia unfortunately. Would 4630 suffice, and what were the improvements you noticed with the 60/40 mix as opposed to a straight 4627? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Thanks guys! I can't get my hands on the 4786 here in Australia unfortunately. Would 4630 suffice, and what were the improvements you noticed with the 60/40 mix as opposed to a straight 4627?How about a small amount of a pillar wax instead? Even beeswax, just enough to harden it up a little bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 After so much difficulty wicking straight 4627, I decided to try ChandlerWicks suggestion of 60% 4627 with 40% 4786. I'm currently doing burn tests with 6% FO and a dark dye. The color is not as vibrant but I actually like the depth of having something a little more opaque since I prefer strongly colored candles and this allows me to use less dye. The throw is awesome. Glass adhesion is a non-issue --I've been heating my containers but I've found that even if I don't, I still don't have any problems with wet spots especially with small to medium containers. I like that I can trim my wicks without disturbing the wax around it. I do find that I have to do a second pour --regardless of whether I heat my containers or not-- which I really don't mind. I had to do that anyway with straight 4627. No sink holes but just a very slight dip towards the center that would probably be imperceptible to customers. However, once I noticed it and corrected for it with a small repour, it made all the difference in burn tests.Try heatgunning also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinesis Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Hey there again. Are you still using the LX wicks with this blend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogieluv Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Depending on the container size, I use LXs, zincs, or Premiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfear Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) So agree with boogieluv... 4627 is one tough wax to wick. After the excruciating wick battle with it, I've decided to mix with a pillar blend- 1343 and wick with LX. I'm going to test this week so I'll post regarding my results....4627 has some incomparable qualities but wicking is not one of them! This is at least my experience with it; even through different FOs, containers, temps, etc....My reason for blending is to harden it just enough to hopefully reduce the mushrooming and dancing flames of the straight 4627! Edited September 23, 2014 by jfear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinesis Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 How did the texture come out if you don't mind me asking. Creamy, opaque? Harder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogieluv Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Definitely harder. I like that I can trim my wicks without worrying about messing up the top of my finished candles. I don't have much experience with other waxes but this combo is definitely more opaque than straight 4627 but still capable of giving off rich, vibrant colors. Creamy? I guess so. I'm not sure what that means but it looks a lot like pure 4627 just harder. If you're looking for any trade-offs with blending with something 4786, I really can't think of any. In my opinion, the throw is amazing, maybe even a little better. And after being hard-headed about lowering my FO% (after all, more is better right?), I've finally jumped on the 1oz per lb bandwagon with no regrets. Finally, the biggest benefit --wicking is sooooo much easier!! I was getting really frustrated and feeling very defeated. Thank you so much to ChandlerWicks for suggesting the blend and putting me on the right track! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinesis Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Ok boogie lol. I'm sold just ordered a 2lb bag. Gonna see what happens. After your helpful advise today I trust your judgement lol. Cause this LX wicks is wonderful. My glad looks like I ran it through the dishwasher lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogieluv Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Good luck! Let me know how it goes. I can also suggest some Premiers and zincs that may also work depending on your container size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Definitely harder. I like that I can trim my wicks without worrying about messing up the top of my finished candles. I don't have much experience with other waxes but this combo is definitely more opaque than straight 4627 but still capable of giving off rich, vibrant colors. Creamy? I guess so. I'm not sure what that means but it looks a lot like pure 4627 just harder. If you're looking for any trade-offs with blending with something 4786, I really can't think of any. In my opinion, the throw is amazing, maybe even a little better. And after being hard-headed about lowering my FO% (after all, more is better right?), I've finally jumped on the 1oz per lb bandwagon with no regrets. Finally, the biggest benefit --wicking is sooooo much easier!! I was getting really frustrated and feeling very defeated. Thank you so much to ChandlerWicks for suggesting the blend and putting me on the right track!Somebody told me about blending & I ran with with it too! 4786 is such a great wax, but I could not give up my 4627. The two together are perfect! Edited September 24, 2014 by ChandlerWicks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWV Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Ok boogie lol. I'm sold just ordered a 2lb bag. Gonna see what happens. After your helpful advise today I trust your judgement lol. Cause this LX wicks is wonderful. My glad looks like I ran it through the dishwasher lolKinesis, where did you find a 2 lb bag of 4627 if you don't mind my asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinesis Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Peak of course lol . They are the best 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWV Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Peak of course lol . They are the bestThank you Kinesis, just placed an order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsposey Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I've been testing with 6006 for the past year, but have been thinking about trying the 4627. I'm rethinking after reading all of the comments. But, would adding vybar to the 4627 make it a little harder and help with wicking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcandleattic Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 No, not vybar, maybe some stearic. Vybar can make the wax more pliable, but if you use too much, even just a few grains, and you can bind your scent and you'll end up with no scent throw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsposey Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 What about universal additive? Not sure exactly what's in it. Thanks for the info on vybar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcandleattic Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 What about universal additive? Not sure exactly what's in it. Thanks for the info on vybar. I've never used it and have not researched it so have no idea what the benefit (if any) would be. Sorry. And YW, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWV Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Has anyone tried blending the 4627 with a straight soy wax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfear Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Definitely harder. I like that I can trim my wicks without worrying about messing up the top of my finished candles. I don't have much experience with other waxes but this combo is definitely more opaque than straight 4627 but still capable of giving off rich, vibrant colors. Creamy? I guess so. I'm not sure what that means but it looks a lot like pure 4627 just harder. If you're looking for any trade-offs with blending with something 4786, I really can't think of any. In my opinion, the throw is amazing, maybe even a little better. And after being hard-headed about lowering my FO% (after all, more is better right?), I've finally jumped on the 1oz per lb bandwagon with no regrets. Finally, the biggest benefit --wicking is sooooo much easier!! I was getting really frustrated and feeling very defeated. Thank you so much to ChandlerWicks for suggesting the blend and putting me on the right track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfear Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Boogieluv, I am going to try this 4627 and 4786 combo; have you found you have to wick up with this vs straight 4627? Incidentally, do you find the LX to be the most successful with this combo?I will be wicking an 8oz jelly with this new combo, after relentless struggles with the straight 4627! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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