boogieluv Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I'm loving the throw of 4627 but would like the finished candle to be slightly harder. I have 4630 and 4633 on hand. Does anyone blend these with 4627 and if so, what ratio and wicks do you use? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravens Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 For container candles? 4630 and 4633 are very similar, but imho the 4630 is softer than 4633. If you're planning on making wax tarts, all these waxes would be way too soft. If you really want to add a harder wax to the 4627, you may want to consider the 4786 or 4794.I do not use the IGI 4627. My working wax(es) are paraffin. Main wicks I use are zinc, but have also used CD and LX. Hth some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crvella Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hi Boogieluv I've tried 50/50 4627 and 4630. It produces a lovely product. I was using eco .75 and eco 1 in a 4" diameter jar. It keeps the throw of the 4627 but the opacity of the 4630; and it was nice to touch. The problem I had, and am having still with plain 4627 is; the damn things refuse to burn more than half way. I posted something earlier in the week about this. But that 50 50 blend does look nice and when I sent them to wicks unlimited to do test burns they suggested the eco .75 and eco 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogieluv Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Wow. ECO-.75 and ECO-1?? I need to order some. The ECO-1s that came in my sample pack are only 2 1/2" tall. I'm definitely going to give the 50/50 blend a try. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crvella Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Yeah I'm not great at wicking as my other posts suggest 8-) But that is what the experts suggested for a 4" diameter. Another great thing I found with the 50/50 mix is it sticks to the jar so much better! I considered it our secret weapon blend until we switched to trying a new blend (for marketing purposes) Can I ask, how deep & wide are your jars that your using for the 4627? and what wicks are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crvella Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Oh I should mention that the .75 and 1's for for double wicking. Im a huge fan of double wicking because you produce less soot; less mushrooming and the self trimming wicks make for easier maintenance; imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogieluv Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) So far for the 4627, I've tried the 8oz metal tin, 3" wide and 2" tall with 8% FO and no dye with LX-20. After 20+ hours of burn time (I lost track after awhile), the entire candle burned down to the bottom. The sides are absolutely clean --looks like I cleaned it off. I did find that with the addition of dye, I had to wick up to LX-22. Only downside is the mushrooming and need to trim wick consistently between burns to avoid extra tall flames, flickering, and soot, but it could just be because I power burn my candles for at least 3-4 hours. LX-16 was good in a 7oz tumbler ( 2-13/16" wide and 2 3/4" high). ECO-4 also seemed to work in the same glass container. For an 11.5 oz tumbler (3 3/16" x 3 1/2" high), so far LX-22 is the front runner. I have yet to do extentive testing with the Premier 700 wick series so that's next on my list. In previous tests, I tried HTP and CD wicks with only marginal success. Did you get any more recommendations from Wicks Unlimited regarding the 50/50 blend? I'd like to try it in a 9oz container (2.85" wide and 3.4" tall) and a 16oz container (3.6" wide and 3.7" high) and was wondering which wicks to start out with. Edited August 30, 2014 by boogieluv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I like 4786 with 4627. Zincs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogieluv Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 What proportion of the two waxes do you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) What proportion of the two waxes do you use?4627 60%-4786 40%12oz Madison 60z12oz Status 60z9oz Flint 51zMaxi Tealight 51zI have been trying to wick 4627 for oh maybe 3 1/2 years, I give up, try other waxes & come running back 4627. 4786 makes it a little harder & easier to wick. Edited August 30, 2014 by ChandlerWicks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogieluv Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Thanks, ChandlerWicks! I can't wait to to order some 4786 and try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crvella Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 4627 60%-4786 40%12oz Madison 60z12oz Status 60z9oz Flint 51zMaxi Tealight 51zI have been trying to wick 4627 for oh maybe 3 1/2 years, I give up, try other waxes & come running back 4627. 4786 makes it a little harder & easier to wick. It sounds to me like noone has successfully wicked the 4627, yet plenty of people must continue to buy it. OMG I never thought it could be this difficult hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) It sounds to me like noone has successfully wicked the 4627, yet plenty of people must continue to buy it. OMG I never thought it could be this difficult hahahaThere's others on the board that have successfully wicked 4627, they may not be currently reading posts. It's the best, I hardly ever give up, so I keep trying. Very happy with the 4786 blend. Puma & Ravens taught me about 4786, but I had to add the 4627. Did you check Aztec for the slabs of 4786, i think I remember that's the only place to buy samples instead of a case. Edited August 31, 2014 by ChandlerWicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcandleattic Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 There's others on the board that have successfully wicked 4627, they may not be currently reading posts. It's the best, I hardly ever give up, so I keep trying. Very happy with the 4786 blend. Puma & Ravens taught me about 4786, but I had to add the 4627. Did you check Aztec for the slabs of 4786, i think I remember that's the only place to buy samples instead of a case.You can buy sample slabs, and 2lb block samples of the 4786 wax at Peaks. HTH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crvella Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 What is the 4786, is it more like 4630 or more like 4627?I've tried to get samples in Australia but igi have said they won't send yo Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcandleattic Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 What is the 4786, is it more like 4630 or more like 4627?I've tried to get samples in Australia but igi have said they won't send yo Australia.Neither. It's a hard container paraffin blend. Both the 4630 and the 4627 are very soft - like vaseline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crvella Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Oh the 4630 in Australia is a whiter and a harder wax than the 4627. Our 4627 is like petroleum jelly. The 4630 is more like a hard play-do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 4786 is much harder & needs two pours. But, it hardens up the 4627 perfectly. I hope you're able to get some thru one of the candle suppliers. If not, try a much larger % of 4630 to 4627. I like the 4630 also, but I might have wicked too high & it sooted. Ask Emilyspoppy for wicking help, just post on the forum & he might see it. Maybe it will get him to join us more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogieluv Posted September 7, 2014 Author Share Posted September 7, 2014 OMG. I feel like its Christmas Day - my slab of 4786 just came in!!! Off to make candles! I'll post my results with throw and wicking here once I'm done. Wish me luck! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) OMG. I feel like its Christmas Day - my slab of 4786 just came in!!! Off to make candles! I'll post my results with throw and wicking here once I'm done. Wish me luck!I call deliveries prezzies. Have a great time! Anything you need, just ask! Edited September 7, 2014 by ChandlerWicks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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